1 Monday, 1 July 2002
2 [Open session]
3 --- Upon commencing at 2.22 p.m.
4 [The accused entered court]
5 JUDGE AGIUS: Madam Registrar, you may proceed with calling the
6 case, please.
7 THE REGISTRAR: Yes, Your Honour. This is the case number,
8 IT-99-36-T, the Prosecutor versus Radoslav Brdjanin and Momir Talic.
9 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you.
10 Mr. Brdjanin, good afternoon to you. As usual, I ask you whether
11 you can hear me in a language that you can understand.
12 THE ACCUSED BRDJANIN: [Interpretation] Good afternoon, Your
13 Honours. I can hear you and understand you.
14 JUDGE AGIUS: General Talic, good afternoon to you. Can you hear
15 me in a language that you can understand?
16 THE ACCUSED TALIC: [Interpretation] Good afternoon, Your Honours.
17 I can hear you in a language I understand.
18 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you. You may sit down.
19 Appearances for the Prosecution.
20 MS. RICHTEROVA: Good afternoon, Anna Richterova and Julian
21 Nicholls, assisted by Denise Gustin, case manager.
22 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes. Good afternoon to you.
23 Appearances for Radoslav Brdjanin.
24 MR. TRBOJEVIC: [Interpretation] Good afternoon, Your Honours. I'm
25 attorney Milan Trbojevic. With me is lead counsel Mr. John Ackerman and
1 our assistant Marela Jevtovic.
2 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you. And good afternoon to you.
3 Appearances for General Talic.
4 MR. ZECEVIC: Good afternoon, Your Honours. Slobodan Zecevic and
5 Natasha Ivanovic-Fauveau for General Talic.
6 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, and good afternoon to you too.
7 I understand preliminaries, problems from anywhere? From ...?
8 So no preliminaries -- yes.
9 MR. ACKERMAN: We had agreed to put them off until the witness had
10 finished, Your Honour. But it's only five minutes.
11 JUDGE AGIUS: I see. So in other words, you're telling me no
12 illusions, Judge, problems there are, but they will come later.
13 MR. ACKERMAN: No. Five minutes. That's all.
14 JUDGE AGIUS: Okay. All right. That's great.
15 So I think we need to prepare the courtroom for a closed session
17 Before we do so or while we are doing so and while we are still in
18 open session, I don't know whether you are in a position to answer me on
19 this, but -- in the absence of Ms. Korner or Mr. Cayley. But you know
20 that there is the motion for protective measures with regard to a number
21 of witnesses related to a number of municipalities. The one which
22 interests me -- interests us more urgently than the rest is the one
23 related to Kljuc.
24 First of all, have you, Mr. Ackerman, or you, Mr. Zecevic, already
25 filed a response to that motion, or are you still thinking about it?
1 MR. ACKERMAN: Your Honour, I think probably the -- the best way
2 to answer you is to just sort of make a blanket statement which I've made
3 before which I think you can take as my position with regard to all of
4 these. I am opposed to closed sessions. I have no problem with image
5 distortion, voice distortion, all of those kinds of things. But fully
6 closed sessions I'm opposed to always.
7 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes, Mr. Zecevic.
8 MR. ZECEVIC: Your Honours, in principle, we are joining the
9 position of our learned colleague John Ackerman. But we are ready to
10 respond this week to that.
11 JUDGE AGIUS: If you can, because I think it's only fair to put
12 the Prosecution in a position to know with regard -- in particular to the
13 first -- to the only three witnesses that there are from the Kljuc
14 municipality that are seeking for protective measures. With the rest you
15 can take your time.
16 MR. ZECEVIC: Yes. Well, if your -- if it pleases the Court, we
17 can be ready by tomorrow.
18 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes. Okay. That's fair enough. It's more than
19 fair, actually.
20 MR. ZECEVIC: Thank you.
21 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, Mr. Zecevic.
22 And more or less you know what the position is. We should be in a
23 position -- we probably will decide about the witnesses from the Kljuc
24 municipality first and then consider the pros and cons of the -- with
25 regard to the other witnesses coming from the other municipalities.
1 MS. RICHTEROVA: Your Honour, we discussed this, and we realised
2 that we will start calling witnesses from the Kljuc municipality most
3 probably at the beginning of the next session. It means from 26th of
4 August, when we will --
5 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes. But Ms. -- Madam Richterova, if, for example,
6 with regard to one witness you seek closed session and the Chamber says no
7 closed session with regard to this one, then you have to go back to that
8 witness, explain to him that there could be voice -- image distortion
9 instead, so on and so forth. You know, so it may take time. So this is
10 why we are trying to give it top priority.
11 MS. RICHTEROVA: We understand and we appreciate it.
12 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you. So -- yes. We'll go into closed session
13 now, please.
14 [Closed session]
13 Pages 7694-7772 – redacted – closed session
8 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned
9 at 6.39 p.m., to be reconvened on Tuesday,
10 the 2nd day of July, 2002, at 2.15 p.m.