Tribunal Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia

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1 Monday, 15 July 2002

2 [Open session]

3 --- Upon commencing at 9.04 a.m.

4 [The accused entered court]

5 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes, Madam Registrar, could you call the case,

6 please.

7 THE REGISTRAR: Yes, Your Honour. The case number is IT-99-36-T,

8 the Prosecutor versus Radoslav Brdjanin and Momir Talic.

9 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you.

10 Mr. Brdjanin, good morning to you. Can you hear me a language

11 that you can understand?

12 THE ACCUSED BRDJANIN: [No interpretation]

13 JUDGE AGIUS: I heard you say something in your language, but it

14 was not interpreted.

15 THE ACCUSED BRDJANIN: [No interpretation]

16 JUDGE AGIUS: I still can't hear. What's happening? Do you get

17 any interpretation?

18 MS. KORNER: I haven't got the earphones on, Your Honour.

19 JUDGE AGIUS: Did anyone who is trying to -- to listen in the

20 English language get any interpretation?

21 I'm sorry, Mr. Brdjanin, but we're -- I just want to make sure

22 that I -- I can hear you in a language that I can understand.

23 Yes. Could I ask you once more, Mr. Brdjanin, can you hear me in

24 a language that you can understand?

25 THE INTERPRETER: One, two, three. One, two, three.

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1 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes. Now I can hear you, yes.

2 THE ACCUSED BRDJANIN: [Interpretation] Good morning once again,

3 Your Honour. I can hear you and understand you.

4 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, Mr. Brdjanin. You may sit down. And

5 my apologies for -- for this.

6 General Talic, good morning to you. Can you hear me in a language

7 that you can understand?

8 THE ACCUSED TALIC: [Interpretation] Good morning, Your Honour. I

9 can hear you and I understand you.

10 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, General. You may sit down.

11 Appearances for the Prosecution.

12 MR. CAYLEY: May it please Your Honours. My name is Cayley. I

13 appear on behalf of the Prosecution with my learned friend Ms. Korner.

14 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you. And good morning to you both.

15 Appearances for Radoslav Brdjanin.

16 MR. TRBOJEVIC: [Interpretation] Good morning, Your Honour. I am

17 attorney Milan Trbojevic. I am assisted by Marela Jevtovic. And I hope

18 that Mr. Ackerman will be here later.

19 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, and good morning to you.

20 Appearances for General Talic.

21 MS. FAUVEAU-IVANOVIC: [Interpretation] Good morning, Your

22 Honours. I am Natasha Ivanovic-Fauveau and I represent General Talic.

23 Mr. Zecevic will join us as soon as he arrives from Belgrade.

24 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, and good morning to you.

25 So I understand there's some preliminary information.

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1 MS. KORNER: Your Honour, I'm also the acting temporary case

2 manager until Ms. Gustin gets here this morning. I'm merely raising --

3 I'll come back to it later this week when I have the actual documentation.

4 But last week Mr. Zecevic, supported by Mr. Ackerman, asked again about

5 what was described as the four boxes of AID material. And I said I would

6 make inquiries during the break.

7 Your Honour, I have made the inquiries. I regret to say that as

8 ever there was a misunderstanding to this extent: The four boxes that

9 were supplied had absolutely nothing to do with the alleged arrests of the

10 ex-head of AID and some other people. They were in connection with

11 another case in this building. But because they coincided with the -- our

12 inquiries, we were informed in error that there were four boxes. However,

13 we were supplied with some material of -- a tiny amount, it amounts to

14 literally, I think, a small folder. I have made inquiries of the person

15 who has dealt with it. It is quite clear --

16 JUDGE AGIUS: That's not it.

17 MS. KORNER: No, that's definitely not it. It is quite clear that

18 the majority is irrelevant. It deals with matters way out of the period

19 and not with any allegations of forgery. There is, however, one part,

20 which as I think I've said before, deals with an allegation of forgery in

21 1995 of identity cards for persons who the AID wished to keep in the

22 country. I say -- maybe 1996. But I'll check that.

23 We are going to disclose -- although I -- in our view, its

24 relevance is totally marginal. But we will disclose that part of the

25 information we've been given. It hadn't been translated. I was told that

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1 counsel for the -- for the accused were happy to have it in B/C/S, and so

2 that's how they're going to get it. Your Honour, as soon as we get the --

3 the package, we'll inform Your Honour.

4 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, Ms. Korner.

5 Any remarks from the Defence? Okay.

6 Yes, Madam Fauveau.

7 MS. FAUVEAU-IVANOVIC: [Interpretation] No, Mr. President.

8 JUDGE AGIUS: So I suppose we can pull the curtains down and bring

9 the witness in.

10 Yes. We'll go into closed session, please.

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