1 Tuesday, 20 November 2007
2 [Closed session]
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22 [Open session]
23 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we're in open session.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
25 Mr. Robson.
1 MR. ROBSON: Your Honour, I have a procedural matter to raise
2 before the next witness is brought in.
3 My application is this, and respectfully I would ask the Bench for
4 certification for leave to appeal the decision to admit the witness
5 statement of the last witness. I'm not going to say any more about that.
6 I'm just wondering whether perhaps we should revert to closed
7 session if it's going to entail any detailed discussion. I think it
8 perhaps might be wise to do so. I apologise.
9 JUDGE MOLOTO: May the Chamber please move into closed session.
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2 [Open session]
3 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we are in open session.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
5 While we are calling the witness, Mr Mundis?
6 MR. MUNDIS: Yes, Your Honours. While Mr. Saric is being brought
7 into the courtroom, at this point, the Prosecution would tender PT6214.
8 This is the second part of Dr. Brkic's expert report which the Chamber
9 allowed us to add to the experts list.
10 I discussed this with the Defence, that we would be tendering this
11 from the bar table; and, as Your Honours are aware, Dr. Brkic, pursuant
12 again to an agreement from the Defence, will not be coming back for
13 further examination. So, at this point, we would tender PT6214, the
14 second part of Dr. Brkic's expert report.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: I seem to have seen some filing to that effect, or
16 something like that, but let's get confirmation from the Defence.
17 MR. ROBSON: Your Honours, we're content for that to happen. The
18 Defence has previously explained that we don't want to burden Dr. Brkic
19 unnecessarily by attending to give further evidence, so we consent.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, Mr. Robson.
21 PT6214 is admitted into evidence, and may it please be given an
22 exhibit number.
23 THE REGISTRAR: It will become Exhibit 857, Your Honours.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
25 [The witness entered court]
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Good afternoon, sir.
2 THE WITNESS: [Interpretation] Good afternoon.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Please make the declaration.
4 THE WITNESS: [Interpretation] I solemnly declare that I will speak
5 the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
6 WITNESS: EDIN SARIC
7 [Witness answered through interpreter]
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, sir. You may be seated, and
9 make yourself comfortable.
10 THE WITNESS: [Interpretation] Thank you.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Mundis.
12 MS. SARTORIO: I will be directing this witness, Your Honour.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Sartorio.
14 MS. SARTORIO: Thank you.
15 Examination by Ms. Sartorio:
16 Q. Sir, would you please state your full name for the record?
17 A. Edin Saric.
18 Q. And what is your date and place of birth?
19 A. The 5th of October, 1965; Gorazde, Kakanj Municipality in Bosnia
20 and Herzegovina.
21 Q. And, sir, in 1994 to 1995, did you hold a position in the Army of
22 Bosnia and Herzegovina?
23 A. Yes. I was a member of the BH Army. I was working in the
24 counter-intelligence department of the 3rd Corps.
25 Q. Now, I'd like you to tell us, in terms of the 3rd Corps, the
1 counter-intelligence, is it a department or a sector?
2 A. So, just a minute, please. We had security service, and the
3 counter-intelligence sector was part of it and this is the department that
4 I was part of.
5 Q. Now, the security service of the 3rd Corps, to what entity was
6 this directly subordinated?
7 A. As far as I know, the military security service of the 3rd Corps
8 was subordinated, in terms of security, to the security service, which was
9 at the level of the Main Staff of the BH Army, and also to the 3rd Corps
11 Q. And who was the chief of the security service at the level of the
12 Main Staff during this time?
13 A. As far as I remember, when I was a member of the
14 counter-intelligence sector, the chief of the service at the Main Staff of
15 the BH Army was General Jusuf Jasarevic.
16 Q. And who was the chief of the 3rd Corps military service --
17 military security service. Sorry about that.
18 A. At the time, it was Colonel Ekrem Alihodzic. Towards the end,
19 sometime in mid-1995, he was replaced by Colonel Agan Haseljic.
20 Q. Now, other than the counter-intelligence department of the 3rd
21 Corps military security service, were there other departments; and if so,
22 would you tell us about those other departments briefly?
23 A. Well, yes. As far as I know, in the military security makeup of
24 the 3rd Corps, in addition to the counter-intelligence section, of which I
25 was a member, there was also the analysis sector, and I think there was a
1 sector for military police-related affairs.
2 Q. Now, focusing now on the counter-intelligence department, who was
3 the head of that department?
4 A. At the time I was a member of that sector, it was Major Osman
6 Q. And is there an abbreviation for the counter-intelligence
8 A. Yes. I just don't know if it's widely accepted. But among
9 ourselves, and for the purposes of official correspondence, we used that
10 abbreviation. The abbreviation is OKOP.
11 Q. Are those initials? Can you please, for the Judges, explain what
12 you just said? What does "OKOP" mean?
13 A. Let me clarify the abbreviation OKOP: [B/C/S spoken], OKP [as
15 Q. Thank you. Now, within the counter-intelligence department, how
16 many operatives were there, including yourself?
17 A. Six operatives at the time, including me.
18 Q. And did each one of you have a specific area of responsibility?
19 A. That precisely was the case. All of us members of the
20 counter-intelligence sector had something that we called "presentations."
21 You might call them "briefs" or "responsibilities." We each had a
22 particular brief.
23 Q. Now, could you tell the Chamber who each of these operatives was
24 and what presentation the operatives were responsible for?
25 A. As far as I remember - and I hope I remember well - let's start
1 with me. Me personally, Edin Saric, I was in charge -- or rather, my task
2 was to monitor everything that was going on in what we at the time called
3 developments to do with the Serbian-Montenegrin aggressor; or, to put it
4 simply, the Serb side.
5 Q. You may go on.
6 A. Aside from me, there was my colleague, Mehmed Siljak. His brief
7 included the monitoring of all developments in relation to the Croat side.
8 There was also late Mahmut Smailagic, another operative who, roughly
9 speaking, was in charge of monitoring the work and activities of certain
10 humanitarian organisations.
11 Also, there was my colleague, Enes Srebrenica, whose brief was to
12 monitor the activities of certain multinational forces operating in the
13 area. Then number 5 was my colleague Ruzmir Skopljak, who was also
14 monitoring certain activities performed by certain humanitarian
15 organisations and some multinational divisions or forces; and then there
16 was my boss, Osman Vlajcic, who was our boss, the boss of the whole
17 sector. His brief was, in addition to being our boss, in addition to
18 supervising our work, to monitor the activities of the Afro-Asian element,
19 which was the technical term that we, the insiders, used.
20 Q. Is there another term or another phrase used also with regard to
21 the Afro-Asian element?
22 A. Well, yes. It's more or less well known that such terms as "the
23 Mujahedin" were used and such like.
24 Q. Now, within the 3rd Corps, there were divisions and brigades, and
25 did each one of the divisions and brigades also have a type of military
1 security service?
2 A. As far as I know, as far as I'm familiar with the structure of the
3 BH Army as it was at the time, meaning as far as I can remember, and a
4 long time has gone by, I think that each independent unit had its own
5 security organ.
6 Q. Well, in terms of your everyday duties, did you have any
7 connection with or correspondence with any person or entity within the
8 independent units?
9 A. No. I did not have any direct contact like that or any sort of
10 correspondence like that.
11 Q. Would you ever receive or read any reports from any military
12 security service departments within individual units?
13 A. Yes, I did that whenever my boss, the sector boss, Major Osman
14 Vlajcic, received a document like that. Sometimes he would pass it on to
16 MS. SARTORIO: I see the time has run out for today.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: It has indeed, ma'am. Is that a convenient point?
18 MS. SARTORIO: Yes, Your Honour.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. Then, sorry, we've just started with you,
20 sir, but time has run out. We'll have to come back tomorrow at 9.00 in
21 the morning in this court.
22 The Court will adjourn to tomorrow morning at 9.00 in the morning,
23 Courtroom II.
24 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 1.45 p.m.,
25 to be reconvened on Wednesday, the 21st day of
1 November, 2007, at 9.00 a.m.