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1 Thursday, 16 May 2013
2 [Open session]
3 [The accused entered court]
4 --- Upon commencing at 9.00 a.m.
5 JUDGE DELVOIE: Good morning to everyone in and around the
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7 Mr. Registrar, could you call the case, please.
8 THE REGISTRAR: Good morning, Your Honours.
9 This is the case IT-04-75-T, the Prosecutor versus Goran Hadzic.
10 Thank you.
11 JUDGE DELVOIE: Thank you very much.
12 May we have the appearances, please, starting with the
13 Prosecution.
14 MR. STRINGER: Good morning, Mr. President, Your Honours.
15 For the Prosecution, Douglas Stringer, Matthew Olmsted, Thomas
16 Laugel.
17 JUDGE DELVOIE: Thank you.
18 For the Defence, Mr. Zivanovic.
19 MR. ZIVANOVIC: Good morning, Your Honours. For the Defence of
20 Goran Hadzic, Zoran Zivanovic and Christopher Gosnell. Thank you.
21 JUDGE DELVOIE: Thank you very much.
22 Mr. Stringer, we have a closed session witness for the moment?
23 Mr. Olmsted, sorry.
24 MR. OLMSTED: No problem. Good morning, Your Honours. Yes. The
25 next witness is testifying with closed session and pseudonym, and it's
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2 JUDGE DELVOIE: Okay.
3 Closed session, please.
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5 THE REGISTRAR: We're in open session, Your Honours. Thank you.
6 JUDGE DELVOIE: Thank you.
7 Yes, Mr. Stringer.
8 MR. STRINGER: Mr. President, in respect of the expert witness
9 Reynaud Theunens, the Chamber has directed the parties to confer about
10 admissibility of the report and various exhibits that accompany it. The
11 parties have conferred. If I understand correctly, the Defence position
12 in respect of the report is that it either has no position or does --
13 does not object with the exception of any quotations which might be found
14 in the report which come from documents that it will object to. But
15 subject to that, if I understand correctly, there is no position or no
16 objection and, therefore, the Prosecution at this time would tender the
17 report, the amalgamated report of Mr. Theunens which is 65 ter
18 Exhibit 5988 together with the errata sheet, 65 ter 06416 and 06416.1.
19 The reason for making the submission orally, Mr. President, is if
20 it would -- if the Chamber is in a position to rule more quickly on the
21 admissibility of the report, it would assist us in our preparation for
22 some upcoming witnesses.
23 JUDGE DELVOIE: The Defence.
24 MR. GOSNELL: Good afternoon, Mr. President.
25 That's an accurate statement of our position. I'll just add
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1 that, of course, that will not preclude us from making substantive
2 submissions at the end of the day as to the witness's expertise and bias
3 and so forth.
4 JUDGE DELVOIE: I'm a little bit puzzled by the condition about
5 the quotes regarding to documents that would be eventually -- be
6 challenged.
7 MR. GOSNELL: Well, just to explain that a little further, the
8 report as you know often contains lengthy block quotations, and the
9 purpose of the caveat is simply say if we object to one of the documents
10 from which a long quotation is extracted, or even a short quotation, then
11 we say that that should be deemed not part of the substance of what's
12 admitted. Or, in the alternative, if the Chamber just wishes to have a
13 single document and doesn't want to think about redactions or anything of
14 that nature, simply admit on the understanding that we do interpose that
15 objection.
16 JUDGE DELVOIE: I understood the nature of what you were saying,
17 Mr. Gosnell, and what Mr. Stringer reflected, but what I was puzzled
18 about was whether it would be appropriate to, at this moment, admit the
19 expert report with that caveat. But let -- let us come back to you about
20 the issue.
21 Court adjourned.
22 --- Recess taken at 12.20 p.m.
23 --- On resuming at 12.46 p.m.
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25 JUDGE DELVOIE: Closed session, please. Yes.
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24 THE REGISTRAR: We're back in open session, Your Honours. Thank
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1 JUDGE DELVOIE: Before we adjourn, we'll issue an oral decision.
2 The Trial Chamber is grateful for the parties' joint submission
3 on the expert report of Expert Witness Theunens. The Chamber shall admit
4 the report at this time. The Defence may challenge any of the documents
5 referred to in the report as well as the co-ordinated portions of the
6 report in the forthcoming witness submission. The Registry shall now
7 assign an exhibit number to the report.
8 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, the report with the 65 ter number
9 5988 shall be assigned Exhibit P1753. The first errata sheet, 65 ter
10 number 6416, shall be assigned Exhibit P1754. And the second errata
11 sheet, 65 ter 6416.1, shall be assigned Exhibit P1755.
12 Thank you, Your Honours.
13 JUDGE DELVOIE: [Microphone not activated] Thank you.
14 Is there anything else? Mr. Stringer.
15 MR. STRINGER: Yes, Mr. President. Just in the last few minutes
16 a reply has come across from the Defence in respect of its motion to
17 preclude Witness GH-162.
18 JUDGE DELVOIE: I see.
19 MR. STRINGER: With the Chamber's permission, I'd like to offer
20 one observation and add one piece of information in respect of that by
21 way of surreply, I suppose you would call it.
22 JUDGE DELVOIE: We are not in favour or surreplies, Mr. Stringer.
23 MR. STRINGER: Very well.
24 JUDGE DELVOIE: They're not in the Rules.
25 MR. STRINGER: Well, let me just say then for the record that
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1 we're quite troubled by the tone of the reply, the way it's written in
2 the extent that there may be assertions directed against the Prosecution
3 which are unjustified.
4 JUDGE DELVOIE: Thank you.
5 Court adjourned.
6 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 1.55 p.m.,
7 To be reconvened on Tuesday, the 21st day of May,
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