1 Tuesday, 13 November 2012
2 [Open session]
3 [The accused entered court]
4 --- Upon commencing at 9.31 a.m.
5 [Trial Chamber confers]
6 JUDGE ORIE: Madam Registrar, would you please call the case.
7 THE REGISTRAR: Good morning, Your Honours.
8 This is the case IT-09-92-T, The Prosecutor versus Ratko Mladic.
9 JUDGE ORIE: Thank you, and good morning on my behalf as well.
10 Mr. Lukic, I was informed that you would like to respond to
11 the -- if I could say, the late 92 ter motions. There were three, one a
12 little bit late, the other considerably late.
13 MR. LUKIC: Yes, Your Honour, if -- if I may.
14 Your Honour, I thank you for this opportunity to address you on
15 the three urgent motions filed by the Prosecution under Rule 92 ter. We
16 on the Defence side have several concerns we must address.
17 One, in addition to these three motions, we have other responses
18 which are due within the next week. If we advance the day for these
19 three we will be in a position of having full trial days and reviewing or
20 drafting one or two responses a daily while we -- what we cannot do.
21 Second, as to RM063 we have filed the response last night. For
22 the other two, we cannot file expedited responses for these -- for the
23 following reasons: RM165 and RM045, although filed Friday, were not
24 served on the Defence until late yesterday morning. We have barely had a
25 chance to look at them and both are lengthy.
1 Third, RM165 was not even labelled as urgent by the Prosecution
2 so we had no idea until yesterday's comments. It is impossible to call
3 the witnesses next week when the Prosecution has just filed a motion
4 seeking 61 associated exhibits and two statements for RM165 that we have
5 not read yet. Respectfully, we have to insist on a regular 40-day
6 briefing schedule.
7 Four, as to the third motion, it too seeks two statements and
8 part of a transcript to admit it and was filed much less than 30 days
9 before the witness is scheduled to testify. That is not the fault of the
10 Defence. We will try to get the responses done and filed by the end of
11 this week.
12 We are concerned that recently the Prosecution has started filing
13 several motions as urgent that are entirely within their own control and
14 which further strain the ability of the Defence to keep pace with what is
15 needed to be done to keep up with trial. We are again at a point where
16 every Prosecution filing almost seems to seek exception from the Rules,
17 and we see it as unfair.
18 And that's all we had on this topic, and thank you, Your Honours,
19 for hearing me. Thank you.
20 JUDGE ORIE: Thank you, Mr. Lukic. The Chamber will consider the
22 Mr. Groome would you like to respond at this moment or ...
23 MR. GROOME: Just briefly, Your Honour.
24 I recognise that Mr. Lukic's position is not unreasonable. The
25 Prosecution filed these motions on an urgent basis because of a gap that
1 has opened up next week due in part because a witness, RM110, was
2 advanced from that week to -- because the Defence took less time
3 examining a witness and also because one of the witnesses scheduled, the
4 Prosecution understood its obligations under Rule 68 to require an
5 inquiry that we had to postpone that witness. I would just note for the
6 Chamber that if the Chamber decides, and I think the Chamber would be
7 reasonable in deciding that the motion should not be decided on an urgent
8 basis, that there will be a gap next week of one, possibly two days, but
9 we will inform the Chamber as soon as we have a clearer idea of where we
11 Thank you.
12 JUDGE ORIE: Yes. And in anticipation of what the Chamber may
13 do, could you see already whether there's any opportunity to use those
14 days in a -- but that might result in more urgent motions, but there may
15 be viva voce witnesses, there may be very technical witnesses for which
16 not much preparation is needed.
17 I wouldn't know. But ...
18 MR. GROOME: I can assure the Chamber that we explored every
19 option, and this was the last resort to file these motions urgently.
20 JUDGE ORIE: Thank you.
21 Then for the next witness, we move into closed session.
22 [Closed session]
11 Pages 4978-5059 redacted. Closed session.
9 [Open session]
10 THE REGISTRAR: We're in open session, Your Honours.
11 JUDGE ORIE: Thank you, Madam Registrar.
12 I have to inform the parties that since there are technical
13 difficulties in Courtroom I, that we have to share this courtroom with
14 another Trial Chamber, and we have tried to accommodate each other.
15 Judges often have their own programmes during the time when we're not
16 sitting, and for that reason, and, exceptionally, because we always try
17 to accommodate Mr. Mladic as well in his wish to sit in the morning
18 hours, that we would have to start tomorrow morning at 9.00 instead of
19 9.30, that we would then continue until a quarter to 2.00 instead of a
20 quarter past 2.00.
21 And for Thursday, the 15th of November, we would sit in the
22 afternoon starting at 4.15 [sic] until 7.00 at night. Before we finally
23 decide to do this, I would like to hear if there are any major objections
24 by the parties on this new schedule.
25 One second, please.
1 [Trial Chamber confers]
2 JUDGE ORIE: When I said 4.15, I have meant 1415. That means
3 quarter past 2.00 in the afternoon until 7.00. That is a full afternoon
5 Mr. Groome.
6 MR. GROOME: Your Honour, I don't believe so. But I will check
7 with the witnesses after court and I shall inform by e-mail if there
8 should be a problem.
9 JUDGE ORIE: Mr. Stojanovic.
17 [Private session]
16 [Open session]
17 THE REGISTRAR: We're in open session, Your Honours.
18 JUDGE ORIE: Yes. We adjourn for the day, and we'll resume
19 tomorrow morning, Wednesday, the 14th of November, at 9.00 in the morning
20 in this same courtroom, III.
21 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 2.20 p.m.,
22 to be reconvened on Wednesday, the 14th day of
23 November, 2012, at 9.00 a.m.