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1 Wednesday, 11 March 2009
2 [Open session]
3 [The accused entered court]
4 --- Upon commencing at 9.00 a.m.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Good morning to everybody in and around the
6 courtroom.
7 Mr. Registrar, could you please call the case.
8 THE REGISTRAR: Good morning, Your Honours. Good morning to
9 everyone in the courtroom. This is case number IT-04-81-T, The
10 Prosecutor versus Momcilo Perisic.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, Mr. Registrar.
12 Could we have the appearances for today, starting with the
13 Prosecution, please.
14 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour. Good morning, Your Honours. Good
15 morning, counsel. Mark Harmon, Salvatore Cannata, Barney Thomas, and
16 Carmela Javier for the Prosecution.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much, Mr. Harmon.
18 And for the Defence.
19 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Good morning, Your Honours. Good
20 morning to everyone in the courtroom. Mr. Perisic is today represented
21 by Tina Drolec; Milos Androvic, Chad Mair, our legal assistants; as well
22 as Colleen Rohan, our consultant; and Daniela Tasic, our case manager; as
23 well as Gregor Guy-Smith; and Novak Lukic as counsel.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, Mr. Lukic.
25 Mr. Harmon, I guess the Prosecution wanted to raise something
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1 with the Court.
2 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour. Two items. Mr. Thomas is here so
3 he can make some submissions to the Trial Chamber before we begin with
4 the witness. So in order I'd like to have Mr. Thomas proceed first.
5 Second of all, Your Honour in reflecting on what happened on
6 Monday in efforts to streamline the procedures that we have here. First
7 of all, I can report that we have -- counsel, my colleagues from the
8 Defence and have I met. We have reached a number of agreements. Those
9 discussions are ongoing. We have submitted a large number of schedules
10 from the master, the Randall master list to the Defence to see if we can
11 reach agreement, and we intend to have additional discussions today on
12 those -- on those lists that we have submitted.
13 One thing that was particularly difficult in terms of the
14 procedures was what I have attempted to do is to identify some exemplars
15 of documents and then thematically there are a number of documents that
16 fit the same theme in court. Monday I was reading out those numbers with
17 some degree of success and some degree of a lack of success, but I was
18 reading them out. And in order to be more efficient what I propose to
19 Your Honours is the following:
20 When we come to the long schedules of documents that are in
21 similar theme, we have prepared lists of those documents. I've shown
22 those lists -- or counsel is aware of those lists. We have itemised by
23 65 ter number. The item that would be on the list with -- essentially a
24 short description similar to what is in the master list, the ERNs and the
25 source. And rather than me reading them out what I propose, if the Court
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1 is agreeable, is that I would submit the list to the Court and counsel.
2 It would be given a number, an exhibit number. I would then show
3 it to the witness, ask the witness to review it, ask the witness to
4 affirm the contents of it, and then I would ask that the documents
5 identified on the list be marked as exhibits. It has the benefit of
6 being -- I think faster and more efficient, at least, as a benefit of
7 identifying for the Registrar specifically the items and -- that's one
8 proposal.
9 The alternative proposal, Your Honours, is for me to continue in
10 the way in which I did on Monday, which is read the numbers one by one
11 into the record.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Which is what we are trying to avoid.
13 MR. HARMON: That is what I am trying to avoid, Your Honour.
14 That is the proposal that I have, and I leave it to Your Honours. I
15 could submit Your Honours now and a copy to counsel, a copy of the
16 schedule, a sample schedule. The Court could review it, and -- if the
17 Court wishes at this point.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: We're happy to do that, Mr. Harmon. Do you want
19 to do that right away?
20 MR. HARMON: Well, I leave to Your Honours. I'm in your hands,
21 Your Honour. I have prepared a number of these if Your Honours want to
22 see them --
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Sure, we can have a look at them right away and
24 tell you whether -- the proposal is not very clear in my mind so my --
25 our comments might not be as intelligent as you have conceived them.
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1 MR. HARMON: Well, I apologise, Your Honour. If this could be
2 distributed to Your Honours and to counsel.
3 What Your Honours have before you is a document that relates to a
4 theme. In this case it is maintenance by the VJ.
5 What I intend to do is call forth on the screen, in this case,
6 two exemplars. I don't want to call up the items on this schedule
7 because otherwise we will be here forever.
8 These items have, in fact, been agreed to by the Defence. This
9 was part of our discussions yesterday. So what I propose to do is show
10 Your Honours and counsel the two exemplars on this theme, and then I
11 would ask that this be marked as an exhibit, and then I would show this
12 to the witness, ask the witness to look at it and affirm that it's
13 accurate, in terms of the sources. And then this would be an exhibit.
14 The Court would have -- and counsel would know which of the items now
15 have been either accepted or if there are objections which ones for which
16 there are objections. That is my proposal Your Honour.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Once the witness has seen that, it would mean that
18 this whole list is then admitted.
19 MR. HARMON: That's correct. And in some cases, Your Honour,
20 because we have, as you know from looking at the master list, we have
21 shaded areas. They're protected. In some situations the list may
22 contain shaded areas in which case we would request that the list itself
23 be under seal.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. That would be no problem.
25 Let's just get confirmation -- or are you still on your feet. I
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1 see Mr. Guy-Smith is on his feet.
2 MR. HARMON: I'll defer to Mr. Guy-Smith. I have some more to
3 discuss, but I will defer on there topic and then I'll go into something
4 else, Your Honour.
5 MR. GUY-SMITH: As we view it, and we do confirm what Mr. Harmon
6 has said thus far, it seems to us that what we are in effect doing is
7 what I would call a modified J of the guidelines that we have in this
8 case. That would be a modified tendering of evidence from the bar table,
9 and it would be J subparagraph 23.
10 We're really dealing with the same kind of thing. We have a
11 list. Each exhibit has a description. It is clear from the exhibits
12 that are on here -- the example he has given what the relevance may be.
13 Obviously, if there is an relevance issue that will be described and we
14 are in a position where there's a joint agreement with regard to having
15 these exhibits coming in this fashion and any objections that we might
16 have -- our objections by virtue of the way doing it right now would be
17 noted for the moment orally although we will at some point file --
18 probably in the hopes of this week if not early next week a global
19 objection to any concern we have, which deals not with the specific
20 issues that have presented themselves thus far.
21 I think we're working along the same lines. Absolutely. And I
22 hope that what I said did not seem to change that.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Now, I hear you Mr. Guy-Smith. The only
24 difference is that from what I was thinking of between me and what you
25 are both suggesting is I thought you were going to be working through
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1 documents that you think can go in and say, Look, we have no objection to
2 this. They can go in, throw them in en masse, but these we object to and
3 can we go through them in court.
4 MR. GUY-SMITH: We're very close to being able to do that too. I
5 think this first round, there are still some legal issues that may
6 revolve some of the documents, but those legal issues are legal issues
7 that are distinct from the normal kinds of admissibility, battles that we
8 might have here with regard to foundation issues or authentication
9 issues.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: We'll see how you go about it as we go along.
11 Thank you so much.
12 MR. GUY-SMITH: We think we have a positive -- we really do think
13 we have a positive approach to this.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
15 Yes, Mr. Harmon.
16 MR. HARMON: The second thing I observed on Monday and taking
17 Your Honours' comments into consideration, one thing Your Honour said,
18 you said, Your Honour, was that you were concerned we were going too
19 fast, and you didn't know what was being admitted. Now, when -- there
20 are two solutions to that.
21 The first solution is I can slow down on the screen. We can ask
22 that the images on the screen stay there a bit longer, and that's one
23 solution.
24 Another solution would be to submit paper copies to Your Honours
25 and would you have them before you, and you could --
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1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Let me intervene right there. If you are going to
2 come up with an expedited manner of tendering documents like we have
3 either suggested or like I was saying. There is no need for that.
4 Because then we will -- as I said -- we'll spend the time reading the
5 exhibits once they're in the office. My comment related to the point
6 where you were putting them one by one, but we just didn't see the
7 content of what was being admitted, and I said what is the point of
8 seeing them if we can't see the content.
9 But if you throw them in en masse and we can sit in the office
10 and read them, that's a different story.
11 MR. HARMON: Fine, Your Honour.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: So that I don't have to see them on the screen.
13 MR. HARMON: All right. Thank you very much.
14 Finally, if we follow the procedures that he did on Monday, I
15 have some additional binders that I would like to present to the witness
16 before commencing his evidence.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Before we call the witness, the Chamber has a
18 minor administrative issue to raise with the parties.
19 The parties have filed a joint request for waiver of
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11 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we're back in open session.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you, Mr. Registrar.
13 You may call the witness, Mr. Harmon.
14 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, one brief matter before I call the
15 witness, and that is a housekeeping matter. When we broke the last time,
16 there was a disagreement in respect of Exhibit 65 ter number 8787.13.
17 That has been resolved. The parties agree that that can be given an
18 exhibit number.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Does the Defence confirm?
20 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Yes, Your Honour.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, Mr. Lukic.
22 Mr. Registrar can you please give an exhibit number to that
23 exhibit. It will be Exhibit 65 ter 8787.13.
24 [The witness takes the stand]
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1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon, am I right to ask the Registrar to
2 assign an exhibit number to that --
3 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honours.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: -- document? Thank you.
5 [Trial Chamber and registrar confer]
6 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will become Exhibit P844.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Harmon.
8 MR. HARMON: I give Mr. Randall --
9 JUDGE MOLOTO: May I just greet Mr. Randall before you give him
10 that.
11 Good Morning, Mr. Randall.
12 THE WITNESS: Good morning, Your Honour.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: How are you?
14 THE WITNESS: I'm fine. Thank you.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: Good. Just to remind you, Mr. Randall, that you
16 are you still bound by the declaration you made at the beginning of your
17 testimony on Monday to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing else
18 but the truth.
19 WITNESS: BRETTON RANDALL [Resumed]
20 THE WITNESS: Yes, I understand.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
22 You may proceed, Mr. Harmon. And just to say sorry to call you a
23 couple of minutes before we asked to go for break, but that's the way
24 things go.
25 THE WITNESS: You don't have to apologise. I understand.
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1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
2 MR. HARMON: I have a series of binders, Your Honour. We'll be
3 covering these topics, and I ask that they be presented to Mr. Randall.
4 Examination by Mr. Harmon: [Continued]
5 Q. Mr. Randall, if you can avail, Your Honour, to the first binder,
6 which is the thin binder, unused annual leave. It says on the spine of
7 the binder.
8 A. Yeah, I've got that.
9 MR. HARMON: If can he can go into private session, Your Honour.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: May the Chamber please move into private session.
11 [Private session]
12 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we're in private session.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
14 MR. HARMON: If we could have 65 ter 8088 on the monitor, please.
15 And that's found, Your Honours, on the master list at page 177 of the
16 master list. If the English version could be centred that would be fine.
17 Thank you.
18 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this item that's before you?
19 A. It's a decision issued by Colonel Milan Biga of the 30th
20 Personnel Centre, in respect of person by the name of Bozo Novak. In
21 request of compensation for unused annual leave. It was received from
22 the government of the Republic of Serbia
23 Assistance 1560.
24 Q. And who is Mr. Biga?
25 A. As far as I know, he was at one stage the officer in charge of
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1 the Yugoslav army, 30th Personnel Centre.
2 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I ask that that be given an exhibit
3 number.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
5 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] I just wanted to be clear, we have a
6 document in front of us that the Defence and the Prosecution did not
7 discuss. We have an objection to this document. Can we please look at
8 page 2, Your Honours?
9 There will be a general objection here from the Defence, because
10 Mr. Harmon, as far as I know, has a number of documents that he would
11 like to tender in this form. This document was drafted significantly
12 after the indictment period. It's some time from 2007, I think, and
13 discussions the retro active recognition of certain status rights. There
14 are a number of these documents. The Defence believes that this
15 document, which was adopted beyond the indictment period, generally is
16 not relevant for the facts that are the subject of the indictment; so we
17 are stating a general objection to the relevancy of documents of this
18 nature, not the authenticity of them.
19 I am being told by my assistants now that the document has no
20 date. But I believe that Mr. Harmon and I agree that all of these
21 documents which were signed by Mr. Biga were drafted or adopted from
22 2000 -- actually from 1999, 2000, and 2001. That is the period, and I
23 believe that Mr. Randall can confirm this.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Lukic, the last dates that you are giving now
25 at page 30, lines 14, you say 1999, 2000, and 2001; however, at page 30,
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1 line 4, you said this document is as recent as 2007. Which is which?
2 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] This is a mistake in the transcript,
3 I assume it is due to my speed. On page 30 line 4 I said from 2007 [as
4 interpreted], actually, so that's where the --
5 THE INTERPRETER: Interpreter's correction, 2000 and that's where
6 the error lies.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much, Mr. Lukic.
8 Yes, Mr. Harmon.
9 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, would you like me to address the
10 relevancy objection? There may be additional relevance objections, but I
11 will be glad to address there one now.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: [Microphone not activated] ... the objection as
13 raised.
14 MR. HARMON: Yes, please. Your Honour, this, first of all, I
15 think the date is irrelevant when this decision was reached. This
16 decision and the subsequent decisions that you will see resolved
17 significant issues identifying the status of the people who are the
18 subject of this litigation. Ultimately concluding and, in fact, it being
19 not disputed that the people who were the litigants in this case were
20 members of the VJ who were sent out of Serbia and the FRY on orders of a
21 superior officer. That's one of the contests issues in this case,
22 Your Honour. What is the status of the persons in the 30th Personnel
23 Centre.
24 What we will be presenting this morning are decisions in which a
25 domestic Court based on complaints made by VJ soldiers who served in the
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1 30th Personnel Centre resolved their complaints, resolved their claims
2 and found that they were members of the VJ who had been sent out of
3 Serbia
4 Personnel Centre had been sent out of the FRY on orders of a superior
5 officer; and that is one of the central issues in this case, and will you
6 see, as we will be presenting a series of judgements in which that issue
7 was addressed in the FRY.
8 So that's our response. That's my response, Your Honour.
9 [Trial Chamber confers]
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Objection overruled.
11 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
12 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, this becomes Exhibit P845.
13 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 8087 on the screen. That is
14 found also at page 177 of the master list, Your Honours.
15 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please.
16 A. This is a Yugoslav army supreme military court judgement deciding
17 in the complaint filed by Bozo Novak. It's dated 22 February 2001. It
18 was received from the government of the Republic of Serbia
19 Request for Assistance 1560.
20 MR. HARMON: Could we -- could that be given an exhibit number,
21 Your Honour.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Document is admitted -- yes.
23 MR. GUY-SMITH: Yes, Your Honour, because the objection was
24 overruled in the last instances to the extended documents that are being
25 admitted fall the same category right, which are judgements that are
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1 outside of the indictment period and deal with this particular time-frame
2 issue. Could we have a continuing objection rather than jumping up each
3 and every time and breaking the flow of this, and Mr. Harmon would be so
4 kind as to tell us when he is shifting to another kind of document, in
5 case we have other objections, we appreciate it.
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: The Chamber will note that are you a global
7 objection, which is globally overruled.
8 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, both this item and the previous item
9 should be under seal because they're protected.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
11 Mr. Registrar, and an exhibit number under seal, and please place
12 P845 under seal as well.
13 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, this becomes Exhibit P846, under
14 seal.
15 MR. HARMON: We can go back into public session, Your Honour.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: May the Chamber please move into open session. On
17 that note -- sorry, go ahead Mr. Registrar.
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19 THE REGISTRAR: Sorry for the interruption, Your Honours, we're
20 back in open session.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
22 Would that be a convenient time.
23 MR. HARMON: Yes, it would be, Your Honour. Thank you.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: We'll take a break and come back at quarter to
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4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Harmon.
5 MR. HARMON: The next document, Your Honours is found on page 197
6 of the master list, and if I could have 8743 put on the monitor, please.
7 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this particular document?
8 A. Yes. This is a judgement issued by the Yugoslav army supreme
9 military court dated 29 January 2001
10 Colonel Zarko Ljubovojevic in respect of compensation for unused annual
11 leave.
12 Q. And is there a number on this judgement?
13 A. Supreme military court 1694/200.
14 Q. And what is the source of this document, Mr. Randall?
15 A. That was provided by the government of the Republic of Serbia
16 response to Request for Assistance 1537.
17 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: It may be. Under seal, I guess.
19 MR. HARMON: No, Your Honour, this is a public document.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay thank you.
21 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will become Exhibit P847.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
23 MR. GUY-SMITH: I'm not sure whether or not we've moved to a
24 different kind of document or not, and it's for that reason that I rise.
25 If we have -- we if re in the same class of document, then obviously the
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1 continuing objections stands; and I also would comment on the fact that,
2 as I'm reading the document, this document is apparently an
3 administrative decision so with regard to the basis for this judgement
4 and the evidentiary standards that you were used, there is no knowledge
5 whatsoever, which may well go to an issue of the weight, if any, that is
6 given to the relevance of this document as opposed to its admissibility.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: I'm not sure I understand what you are saying,
8 Mr. Guy-Smith.
9 MR. GUY-SMITH: Surely.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: And what are you asking.
11 MR. GUY-SMITH: I'm sorry. I'm reiterating the relevancy --
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: I thought we were agreed that have you had made a
13 global objection which was globally overruled.
14 MR. GUY-SMITH: That's correct. But as I was looking at this
15 document I saw something that struck something else in my mind. So I was
16 commenting on that as well.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Are you saying this is an exception to the global
18 ones?
19 MR. GUY-SMITH: No -- I'm not sure because I don't know from
20 Mr. Harmon whether or not we are in a new set of documents or not.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: I don't know what you're asking for and what I can
22 do to rule.
23 MR. GUY-SMITH: I'm making the same ruling -- I don't make ruling
24 obviously. I'm making the same objection that I made before.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: I though we had agreed that you are not going to
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2 MR. GUY-SMITH: That's correct, but I'm not sure whether this is
3 a different class or the same.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Then you can't be making the same objection that
5 you made before. It must be a new objection and you got to tell me what
6 the ground is.
7 MR. GUY-SMITH: If I might ask, Mr. Harmon, if this is the same
8 type of document as we're dealing with before, I will know whether or not
9 I should stand or not.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Fine.
11 MR. HARMON: I can respond, Your Honour.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: You may.
13 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, this is similar to the previous
14 exhibit --
15 MR. GUY-SMITH: Then is there no reason for me to be standing.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
17 MR. HARMON: The next exhibit is found on page 217 of the master
18 list. If 9191 could be put on the monitor, please.
19 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify the exhibit that is before you?
20 A. This is a judgement issued by the federal court in Belgrade, in
21 relation to an appeal of Zdravko Dokmanovic. The number is 156/98.
22 Q. What is the provenance of this document?
23 A. It was provided by the government of the Republic of Serbia
24 response to Request for Assistance 1664.
25 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
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1 JUDGE MOLOTO: The document is admitted. May it please be given
2 an exhibit number.
3 THE REGISTRAR: Exhibit P848, Your Honours.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
5 MR. HARMON: The next document, Your Honours, is found at
6 page 155 of the master list. Could I have Exhibit 7925 on the monitor.
7 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify the exhibit that is before you?
8 A. This is a decision issued by the military post 3001, dated 17
9 May 2001, in respect of Colonel General Ratko Mladic, in respect of
10 compensation for unused annual leave for the years 1991 to 1995,
11 inclusive, under the name issued by Colonel Milan Biga. And than was
12 received from the government of Serbia
13 Request for Assistance 1127-B.
14 MR. CANNATA: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, it may. May it please be given an exhibit
16 number.
17 THE REGISTRAR: Exhibit P849, Your Honours.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
19 MR. HARMON: Could I have Exhibit 8394 on the monitor, please,
20 and that is found at page 190 of the master list.
21 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify 8394, the document in front of you?
22 A. It's a decision issued by the Yugoslav army military post 1790,
23 Belgrade
24 Major-General Milan Celeketic, regarding entitlements to salary and
25 special payments for unused annual leave, for the years 1992, 1993, 1994,
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1 bearing the signature -- bearing the name of Colonel Slobodan Tadic and
2 that was received from the government of the Republic of Serbia
3 response to Request for Assistance 1560.
4 MR. HARMON: Could that be admitted, Your Honour.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
6 number.
7 THE REGISTRAR: Exhibit P850, Your Honours.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
9 MR. HARMON: I have concluded with that series of document,
10 Your Honour. If we could now go to a document that is found on page 147
11 of the master list, and could I have 65 ter 7886 on the monitor.
12 Q. Mr. Randall you'll have to operate ofthe monitor on this
13 document. I don't think it's on the binder.
14 A. Okay. 65 ter number?
15 Q. 7886.
16 A. Okay.
17 Q. Could you scroll up on the English version, please. Scroll down
18 on the English version. Thank you.
19 Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please?
20 A. Sorry, can you scroll up on the English, please.
21 It's a telegram coded very urgent for the Federal Republic
22 Yugoslavia
23 commander of the Army of Republika Srpska Main Staff, dated 22
24 February 1995, and --
25 Q. It is from whom?
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1 A. It was provided by the government of the Republic of Serbia
2 response to Request for Assistance 1504.
3 Q. And the letter -- the document before you is from whom?
4 A. Sorry, if can you scroll down on the English. M. Perisic.
5 MR. HARMON: Could this be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: It is admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
7 number.
8 THE REGISTRAR: Exhibit P851, Your Honours.
9 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
10 MR. HARMON: Can we go into private session, Your Honour.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: May the Chamber please move into private session.
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15 MR. HARMON: Could we have 65 ter 8984.08 on the monitor. That's
16 found at page 212 of the master list.
17 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please.
18 A. This is a General Staff of the Army of Yugoslav, operations staff
19 affairs sector 1st administration duty team report dated 24 May 1994,
20 report on the situation and activities in the former BiH and the VRS
21 bearing the name duty team leader Colonel Bozidar Demjanovic [phoen].
22 Q. Provenance of this document, Mr. Randall?
23 A. Provided by the government of the Republic of Serbia
24 to Request for Assistance 1350.
25 MR. HARMON: Could that be given a number, please.
Page 4212
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: May that document please be given an exhibit
2 number.
3 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that becomes Exhibit P860.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
5 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 8984.09 on the monitor.
6 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please.
7 A. Yes, it's another General Staff of the Army of Yugoslavia
8 operations staff affair, sector, 1st administration duty team report on
9 situation and the activities in the former BiH and Republika Srpska, in
10 the name of Colonel Ratko Djukanovic received in response to Request for
11 Assistance -- received from the government of the Republic of Serbia
12 response to Request for Assistance 1350.
13 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
14 Under seal.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: May it please be given an exhibit number under
16 seal.
17 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will become Exhibit P861,
18 under seal.
19 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, Prosecution Exhibit 860 should also be
20 under seal.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: May P860 please be under seal.
22 MR. HARMON: And if we could turn to 8984.10.
23 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please.
24 A. General Staff of the Army of Yugoslavia operations staff affairs,
25 sector, 1st administration duty team report on situation in the
Page 4213
1 activities in the former BiH and Republika Srpska, bearing the name duty
2 team leadership Colonel Desimir Nedjelkovic [phoen] received from the
3 government of the Republic of Serbia
4 Assistance 1350.
5 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number under seal,
6 Your Honour.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: The document is admitted. May it please be given
8 an exhibit number under seal.
9 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will become Exhibit P862,
10 under seal.
11 MR. HARMON: We can go into public session.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: May the Chamber please move into open session.
13 [Open session]
14 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we're back in open session.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
16 Yes, Mr. Harmon.
17 MR. HARMON: Could we have Exhibit 855 on the monitor, please.
18 And this is found at page 45 of the master list.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon, you're referring to a three-digit
20 number and we do have an Exhibit 855.
21 MR. HARMON: I'm sorry, 65 ter.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Is that a 65 ter number?
23 MR. HARMON: 65 ter 855, Your Honour. And I would like to
24 display on the English -- just one moment.
25 [Prosecution counsel confer]
Page 4214
1 MR. HARMON: Can we go to the next page, please, in the English.
2 Q. There are two pages in this. We'll look at this page first. Can
3 you identify this, Mr. Randall?
4 A. Yugoslav army, General Staff, logistics sector medical
5 administration --
6 Q. You should have that in front of you, Mr. Randall. It should be
7 in that same binder. It's 855. There are tabs at the top.
8 A. Got it.
9 Q. Okay.
10 A. Yes, Yugoslav army General Staff logistic sector medical
11 administration, confidential number 192-3, dated 23 May 2004 bearing the
12 name chief Major-General, medical doctor, senior lecturer,
13 Miroslav Miletic, provided by the authorities of Republika Srpska.
14 MR. HARMON: [Microphone not activated] ... can we display the
15 next page in the English, please.
16 Could we go to the next translation in the e-court on this
17 document, please.
18 Q. Can you identify this document, Mr. Randall?
19 A. It's the same 65 ter?
20 Q. Yes. List of hospitals in Belgrade where wounded members of the
21 Army of Republika Srpska are treated. That was also provided by the
22 authorities of Republika Srpska.
23 MR. HARMON: Could this be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
25 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Let us be precise. Yesterday when
Page 4215
1 discussing this document, we had the difficulty in the fact that the
2 English version in e-court has three pages, whereas the B/C/S has 30.
3 Mr. Harmon said that he would only be asking the three pages in the B/C/S
4 and the corresponding pages in English to be admitted.
5 MR. HARMON: [Previous translation continues] ...
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: The three pages of this document are admitted into
7 evidence. In both B/C/S and English. May they please be given an
8 exhibit number.
9 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that becomes Exhibit P863.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
11 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, if could I distribute a schedule which
12 is associated with this theme then.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Getting there now.
14 MR. HARMON: We are.
15 Q. Mr. Randall, I'm going to show you a document that will be shown
16 to you in a minute. I'd like to you review it, and I'm going to ask you
17 to -- we need one for the witness. We need one for the witness, please.
18 Mr. Randall, can you review that document, look at the -- on the
19 left-hand side there is an 65 ter number, and on the right-hand side
20 there is the source. Can you just review that quickly and confirm that
21 the sources are accurate for each of those numbers.
22 A. Yes, this schedule was produced based on the master list which
23 was compiled by myself and other members of the Office of the Prosecutor
24 after we interrogated the evidence database and also as a result of my
25 own personal knowledge.
Page 4216
1 So it's true and correct.
2 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I would then seek admission of each of
3 the documents identified on this schedule, Your Honour.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: The documents in that schedule are admitted. May
5 they please be given an exhibit number at your convenience,
6 Mr. Registrar.
7 MR. HARMON:
8 Q. Mr. Randall, we're going to turn to a different binder. It's
9 going to be. Actually, Mr. Randall, it is the same binder that you
10 should be ...
11 MR. HARMON: Could we have 65 ter Exhibit 774 on the monitor,
12 please. This is found at page 42 of the master list.
13 Q. Mr. Randall, the binder you need to consult is the one that -- at
14 the top says: Meetings of Supreme Command staff.
15 A. I've got that. 774 [Realtime transcript read in error, "744"],
16 is it?
17 Q. That's correct. Should be a red tag at the top, Mr. Randall,
18 that might be of assistance to you.
19 A. Got it.
20 Q. Okay. Can you identify this document?
21 A. Says 2nd Romanija Motorised Brigade command report on work
22 performed and damage inspection of the 2nd Romanija Motorised Brigade
23 vehicles of TAM
24 different people who have certified this it looks like.
25 Q. Provenance of this document, sir?
Page 4217
1 A. Provided by the authorities of Republika Srpska.
2 MR. HARMON: Could this be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: It is admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
4 number.
5 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will become Exhibit P864.
6 MR. HARMON: So the record is clear in the transcript, the
7 document I called up was 774. In the transcript Mr. Randall stated 744
8 and I affirmed that that was correct. The correct exhibit we're dealing
9 with is 65 ter 774.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Harmon.
11 MR. HARMON: Thank you. Could we turn to the next exhibit, which
12 is 7896. That's page 150 of the master list, Your Honours.
13 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please.
14 A. Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Yugoslav army General Staff
15 cabinet of the chief of the General Staff, dated 6 May 1995.
16 Q. Provenance of that document, Mr. Randall?
17 A. Provided by the government of the Republic of Serbia
18 to Request for Assistance 1504.
19 MR. HARMON: Could that be admitted, Your Honour.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: It is admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
21 number.
22 THE REGISTRAR: Exhibit P865, Your Honours.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
24 MR. HARMON: Your Honours, I have another schedule. I
25 distributed this as the exemplar earlier today, this morning. If a copy
Page 4218
1 could be given to the witness.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: May ...
3 MR. HARMON:
4 Q. Again, Mr. Randall, if you could you examine that and in respect
5 of each of those 65 ter numbers that are identified in the left column
6 can you confirm that the provenance of each of those documents is
7 accurate.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Just to confirm this is the schedule VJ
9 maintenance.
10 MR. HARMON: That's correct, Your Honours.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
12 THE WITNESS: Yes, agree that that schedule accurate.
13 MR. HARMON: I would request that each of these items on this
14 particular schedule be given a number, and I would ask that -- that's
15 what I'd ask, Your Honour.
16 Does the Court wish have to have the schedules themselves marked
17 as an exhibit?
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: I thought you were tendering the documents listed
19 in the schedule.
20 MR. HARMON: I am. But I was wondering if the -- there would be
21 a point -- I withdraw the comments. I'm satisfied.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: I have asked the Registrar to admit the documents
23 themselves.
24 MR. HARMON: That's fine, Your Honour, I'm satisfied.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much. Okay.
Page 4219
1 Did you ask that we give them a number.
2 MR. HARMON: Yes.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: The documents listed in that schedule are
4 admitted. May they please be given an exhibit number at your
5 convenience, Mr. Registrar.
6 MR. HARMON: Just a minute, Your Honour.
7 [Prosecution counsel confer]
8 MR. HARMON:
9 Q. Mr. Randall, could you take the binder that says: VRS directives.
10 [Prosecution counsel confer]
11 MR. HARMON:
12 Q. Mr. Randall, could you consult that binder.
13 MR. HARMON: Your Honours, we've going to refer, first of all, to
14 65 ter 6077. That's found at page 112 of the master list.
15 MR. GUY-SMITH: Excuse me, I rise solely for purposes of
16 clarification. Is this a exemplar with regard to one of the schedules
17 that we had come to agreement about?
18 MR. HARMON: Oh. I'm going to expose one of these,
19 Mr. Guy-Smith, and then we're going to admit the rest.
20 MR. GUY-SMITH: All right. Thank you.
21 MR. HARMON:
22 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this particular document.
23 A. This is a Main Staff of the Army of Republika Srpska strictly
24 confidential document, dated 19 November 1992. Very urgent, directive
25 for further operations of the Army of Republika Srpska to the commander
Page 4220
1 (Chief of Staff) personally. Directive operational number 4. And --
2 Q. Source of document?
3 A. The authorities of Republika Srpska.
4 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
6 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] In relation to this document, I have
7 an objection to make on two grounds. One, that it's outside of the
8 indictment period because it dates from 1992; and plus the document does
9 not bear either a signature or a stamp.
10 If it is accepted that the document is relevant, I suggest that
11 it be MFI
12 testify to the authenticity of the document, or lack thereof.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon.
14 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I have no objection to this being
15 MFI
16 this document.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: It will be MFI
18 it please be given an exhibit number, and marked for identification.
19 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, this will become Exhibit P866,
20 marked for identification.
21 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, the remaining document, counsel has
22 agreed to, and I will identify them by number and ask that they be given
23 an exhibit number.
24 2007, 369, 2508.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Sorry, 369.
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1 MR. HARMON: Yes. 5767 and 8323. I would ask that those be
2 given an exhibit number.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: All those, Mr. Registrar, are admitted. May they
4 please be given an exhibit numbers.
5 MR. GUY-SMITH: Excuse me, I'm going through our lists, and I
6 have a bit of confusion, I do apologise. If we could have those MFI'd
7 for the moment just so we can double check something because I'm not
8 coming up with those particular document numbers in the lists that we
9 have here; and there may be just some transmission problem here, so if we
10 could just have those MFI
11 probably okay, but just to make sure.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon.
13 MR. HARMON: That's fine, Your Honour, we can resolve it later.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mark them for identification, Mr. Registrar.
15 MR. HARMON: If I have just a moment, Your Honour. Thank you.
16 [Prosecution counsel confer]
17 MR. HARMON: Can we have --
18 MR. GUY-SMITH: Just so we're clear with regard to that last
19 batch. Let me double check, there is not transfer problems. This is
20 something that we actually need to go through, so the Chamber is aware.
21 MR. HARMON: Sorry, could you repeat that. I didn't hear it.
22 MR. GUY-SMITH: Just so we're clear with regard to the last
23 batch, this not a transfer problem on our part. This is something we
24 actually need to go through. We have not been through these documents
25 before. We did not discuss these documents yesterday. That's why I'm
Page 4222
1 just saying, I just wanted to make sure that the Chamber is clear about
2 the fact that there are some where we did and others we're still working,
3 and I'm sure we'll come to resolutions this is not a group that this
4 occurred.
5 MR. HARMON: It is it my understanding there had been agreement
6 because Mr. Guy-Smith rose and said there had been agreement and,
7 therefore, I deferred what would have been my presentation in going
8 through each of these documents one at a time. Having understood now
9 there is no agreement on these particular documents although we have
10 reached many agreements on lots of documents, I'm prepared to go through
11 each of these documents quickly and ask Mr. Randall the source of each of
12 the document documents.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Can't it be resolved by them going through them as
14 you are continuing to talk.
15 MR. GUY-SMITH: I think that is probably a more efficient use of
16 time. This is not a schedule that we went through before, unfortunately.
17 MR. HARMON: All right, fine.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, Mr. Harmon.
19 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter Exhibit 1140 on the monitor,
20 please.
21 Q. Mr. Randall, you will have to use the monitor on these sets of
22 documents.
23 A. Mm-hmm.
24 Q.
25 A. VRS Drina Corps command order dated 18 July 1994, bearing the
Page 4223
1 name Major-General Milenko Zivanovic, that was provided by the
2 authorities of Republika Srpska.
3 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: May it please be given an exhibit number. May we
5 do that?
6 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that becomes Exhibit P867.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
8 MR. HARMON: Could I have Exhibit 65 ter 1229 on the monitor.
9 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify that exhibit?
10 A. Sarajevo-Romanija Corps command report, training for instructors
11 of reconnaissance and police unit, bearing the name
12 Major-General Dragomir Milosevic, dated 2 March 1995. Sorry, 65 ter
13 number again?
14 Q. 1229.
15 A. That was provided by the authorities of Republika Srpska.
16 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: It may. [Microphone not activated]
18 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that becomes Exhibit P868.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
20 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 5464 on the monitor.
21 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify that document and tell us the
22 provenance of it.
23 A. Drina Corps command, intelligence unit report, bearing the name
24 Vujadin Popovic, dated 13 February 1995
25 subordinate officers in BOSC
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1 authorities of Republika Srpska.
2 MR. HARMON: Could that be receive an exhibit number,
3 Your Honour.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, it may. Can it be given an exhibit number,
5 please.
6 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will become Exhibit P869.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
8 MR. HARMON: The next exhibit, 65 ter 1152. Could that be put on
9 the monitor.
10 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify that document and provide
11 information about its provenance?
12 A. Military post 7469, Zvornik, dated 9 May 1994, soldiers to attend
13 specialist training.
14 If we can just go down a little bit, scroll down. Sorry.
15 Bearing the name Captain First Class Dragan Obrenovic that was provided
16 by the authorities of Republika Srpska.
17 MR. HARMON: Could I distribute a schedule then relating to
18 documents --
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: What do you want to do with this exhibit.
20 MR. HARMON: Sorry, I want to admit it, Your Honour.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: It is so admitted. May it be given an exhibit
22 number.
23 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that becomes Exhibit P870.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
25 MR. GUY-SMITH: And for the Chamber's information, we're now
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1 going to be dealing with a schedule that we have gone through.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you, Mr. Guy-Smith.
3 MR. HARMON: Can these be distributed, please.
4 Q. Mr. Randall, can you examine that schedule and confirm that the
5 sources of each of the documents identified in the schedule is correct.
6 A. Yes, this schedule was compiled from the master list. I affirm
7 that it is true and correct, the information contained therein.
8 MR. HARMON: I would ask that each item on the schedule, Your
9 Honour, be provided an exhibit number.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Do that at your convenience, Mr. Registrar, and
11 give them numbers, each one of them.
12 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, this would be a convenient time to
13 break.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Would it?
15 MR. HARMON: We, Your Honour, we have -- at this point concluded
16 our presentation for this segment. I had mentioned at the beginning,
17 there are numerous schedules and further discussions with the parties. I
18 think we be able to expedite.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: You want us to take the break for the day or for
20 the break -- for the break?
21 MR. HARMON: For the day.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: For the day --
23 MR. HARMON: Yes.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: -- and come back tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. Harmon.
25 I'm sorry, Mr. Randall, I repeat yesterday's warning at the --
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2 to anybody until you are done with the case, with the testimony. The
3 matter then stands adjourned until tomorrow, again same courtroom, I.
4 THE WITNESS: I understand, Your Honour.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay.
6 Court adjourned until tomorrow morning, Courtroom I, 9.00 in the
7 morning.
8 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 11.52 a.m.
9 to be reconvened on Thursday, the 12th day of March
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