Page 4365
1 Tuesday, 17 March 2009 2 [Open session]
3 [The accused entered court]
4 --- Upon commencing at 2.14 p.m.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Good afternoon to everybody in and around the
6 courtroom.
7 Madam Registrar, would you please call the case.
8 THE REGISTRAR: Good afternoon, Your Honours. Good afternoon
9 everybody in and around the courtroom. This is case number IT-04-81-T,
10 The Prosecutor versus Momcilo Perisic.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
12 Could we have the appearances for today, starting with the
13 Prosecution.
14 MR. THOMAS: Good afternoon, Your Honours. Good afternoon to
15 everyone in and around the courtroom. Barney Thomas and Carmela Javier
16 for the Prosecution.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much, and for the Defence.
18 MR. GUY-SMITH: Good afternoon, Your Honours. Good afternoon to
19 everyone in and around the courtroom. Daniela Tasic, Chad
20 Milos Androvic, Tina Drolec, Novak Lukic, and Gregor Guy-Smith appearing
21 on behalf of Momcilo Perisic.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, Mr. Guy-Smith.
23 May the Chamber please move into closed session, and can we call
24 the witness.
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20 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we're back in open session.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
22 Mr. Thomas.
23 MR. THOMAS: Yes, sir, we're back with Mr. Randall after the
24 break.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: After the break. Thank you very much. I guess
Page 4423
1 this will then be a opportune time. Take the break and come back at a
2 quarter to 6.00.
3 Court adjourned.
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5 [The witness takes the stand]
6 --- On resuming at 5.44 p.m.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: I notice that the Prosecution team has changed for
8 this session. Good afternoon to the Prosecution this afternoon.
9 Just for the record, could we have appearances for the
10 Prosecution in this session.
11 MR. HARMON: Mark Harmon, Salvatore Cannata and Carmela Javier.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
13 Good afternoon, Mr. Randall.
14 THE WITNESS: Good afternoon Your Honour.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: Just to remind you that you are still bound by the
16 declaration that you made at the beginning of your testimony to tell the
17 truth, the whole truth, and nothing you but the truth.
18 WITNESS: BRETTON RANDALL [Resumed]
19 THE WITNESS: Yes, I understand.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Thomas.
21 MR. HARMON: Your Honours, I have distributed to Your Honours and
22 to the witness a list of schedules. We will proceed with the list of
23 schedules first. There will be no exemplars with these schedules and
24 after we complete using these schedules then we will proceed with various
25 items as exemplars and that there will be additional schedules.
Page 4424
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
2 Examination by Mr. Harmon: [Continued]
3 Q. Mr. Randall, in front you, you have a schedule, and the first
4 schedule we'll proceed the way we did when we last left. If you would
5 examine the schedule and confirm that the provenance of those documents
6 is correct, then they will proceed schedule by schedule.
7 So we start with the schedule that stays at the top that says
8 army. Can you look at that and confirm the provenance of those
9 documents?
10 A. That's accurate.
11 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I'd ask that each of those items be
12 given an exhibit number, and that they be placed under seal.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: You caught me napping.
14 MR. HARMON: We're on the schedule, the first schedule, which
15 says army, and it's two items.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay, indeed. That schedule is admitted. May it
17 please be given an exhibit number.
18 [Trial Chamber and registrar confer]
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: The Registrar has not corrected, not the schedule
20 but the documents listed in the schedule.
21 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour. We ask that both items be under
22 seal.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Under seal, Madam Registrar.
24 MR. HARMON:
25 Q. Mr. Randall, the next item in order is a schedule that says
Page 4425
1 background. Can you exam that and confirm for us that the items on those
2 schedule -- the provenance of each of those items.
3 A. That's accurate.
4 MR. HARMON: Your Honours, I ask that each of those items be
5 given an exhibit number.
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
7 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] For this group of documents, we said
8 that it was our position that they be marked for identification for the
9 time being.
10 MR. HARMON: I have no objection, Your Honour.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: And, Mr. Harmon, while you on the -- your feet.
12 Is that not under seal.
13 MR. HARMON: None of these documents is under seal, Your Honour.
14 To assist the Court we have shaded the schedules and various items that
15 are [Overlapping speakers] ...
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much. Okay. They're marked for
17 identification. Madam Registrar.
18 MR. HARMON:
19 Q. Mr. Randall, we are now looking at the next operation, which is
20 Drina
21 are accurate.
22 A. Yes, they're accurate.
23 MR. HARMON: Then I would ask that each of these items be given
24 an exhibit number, Your Honour.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
Page 4426
1 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] The Defence considers that documents
2 under number 65 ter 02016, 02021, 06473, and 09190.01 with the -- should
3 be MFI
4 MR. HARMON: No objection, Your Honour.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much. We will do that.
6 Madam Registrar.
7 MR. HARMON:
8 Q. Mr. Randall, if you could focus on the next schedule, captioned
9 financial documents. Can you examine that and confirm that the
10 provenance of these documents is accurate.
11 A. Yes, that's accurate.
12 MR. HARMON: Again, Your Honour, I would ask that each of these
13 items receive and exhibit number, and that two of the items, 7383 and
14 7385, only be placed under seal.
15 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] We agree to all the documents being
16 admitted as Mr. Harmon proposed, except for 7936, that document. And in
17 our discussions with the Prosecution, we said that this document does not
18 belong to that group; and the Prosecution said that it might strike it
19 from the list. But if they maintain their position then we would like to
20 propose the document with this number, 07936 on page 3 be given a MFI
21 number -- or, rather, marked for identification.
22 MR. HARMON: We have no objection to 7936 being MFI'd,
23 Your Honour.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much. Madam Registrar, all those
25 documents listed there are admitted. Could you please admitted under
Page 4427
1 seal 7383 and 7385 and mark for identification 7936.
2 MR. HARMON:
3 Q. Mr. Randall, turning to the next schedule marked intel
4 coordination. Could you examine that schedule, please, and inform us of
5 your views.
6 A. That's accurate.
7 MR. HARMON: I would ask, Your Honour, that each of these items
8 be given a number and that 65 ter 8996 be placed under seal.
9 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Just a moment, Your Honour, might we
10 be given a moment so we can catch up and give you our positions.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: You are given a moment Mr ...
12 MR. HARMON:
13 Q. While counsels is conferring, Mr. Randall, if you can take a look
14 at the next schedule, which is Ljubojevic litigation file.
15 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] I'd like these documents for the time
16 being, if you're waiting for my comments are we -- are you? That they be
17 MFI
18 MR. HARMON: No objection, Your Honour.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
20 Madam Registrar, if you would MFI and admitted under seal 8996.
21 MFI
22 MR. HARMON:
23 Q. Mr. Randall, turning to the next schedule, Ljubojevic litigation
24 file could you examine that and confirm that the provenance identified
25 under source is correct?
Page 4428
1 A. I have examined it, and it is accurate and correct.
2 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, we would ask that each of these items
3 be given an exhibit number. L.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Let's give your learned colleague some time.
5 MR. HARMON: I will, Your Honour, I --
6 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] As for those documents we would just
7 like to emphasise our standing objection that they are documents dating
8 back to 2000; and, therefore, irrelevant for the indictment period.
9 MR. GUY-SMITH: If I might be of some assistance, this is my
10 continuing objection, which is --
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Is that a double objection.
12 MR. GUY-SMITH: Yes.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: With the double overruling.
14 MR. GUY-SMITH: Exactly. This is a global objection with the
15 global overruling.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Then it will come in under the global overruling.
17 Yes, Mr. Harmon.
18 MR. HARMON:
19 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule is captioned meetings of Supreme
20 Command staff. Would you examine that, please.
21 A. That is accurate.
22 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I would ask that each of those items be
23 given an exhibit number.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: I see Mr. Lukic is nodding. For the record, I
25 read that to mean that he has no objection. May you please admit those
Page 4429
1 and give them a number, please, Madam Registrar.
2 MR. HARMON:
3 Q. Mr. Randall, next in order is a schedule captioned Mladic
4 indictment package.
5 A. That is accurate.
6 MR. HARMON: I would ask, Your Honour, that each of these items
7 be given an exhibit number.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Guy-Smith.
9 MR. GUY-SMITH: Yes, this is -- this is a series of documents
10 that we've had some discussion with the Prosecution about, and based on
11 those discussions, and I don't want to assume that any assertions that
12 are being made are necessarily accurate, we don't object to -- well, we
13 object to the entirety of the documents, meaning all of them, being
14 introduced on the grounds of relevance.
15 Having said that, there are two things that we discussed with the
16 Prosecution that we did not object to. One is the existence of
17 indictments against General Mladic on two separate occasions; and,
18 secondly, was the publication of those indictments. But all of the
19 documents that are here, the entirety of these documents are not
20 relevant, and we believe that the matter could be settled either by way
21 of agreement or by way of introducing but a number of these documents,
22 rather than all of them. I'm happy, for the moment, if further
23 discussions with -- would seem to be fruitful to have all these documents
24 MFI
25 if that is the case or not, and I certainly don't want to maintain that
Page 4430
1 the position is anything other than I believe it to be.
2 MR. HARMON: Those -- the position of counsel is correct. We did
3 have those discussions. The relevance of these documents it is to
4 demonstrate, Your Honour, that there was an indictment against
5 General Mladic, that those -- that the indictment and the existence of
6 the indictment was forwarded to the authorities in Bosnia and to the
7 Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. There was forwarded to Federal Republic
8 of Yugoslavia
9 in respect of countries Bosnia
10 documents that are the underlying basis of that set of --
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Do you insist on them being admitted and not
12 marked for identification?
13 MR. HARMON: Well, Your Honour, I can mark them for
14 identification and we can discuss these later, but I don't think we've
15 going to advance the discussion any further, later. I'm happy to mark
16 them for identification for the time being.
17 MR. GUY-SMITH: Hope springs eternal so why don't we do that for
18 the moment and see if we can do something.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you, Madam Registrar, would you MFI those,
20 please.
21 MR. HARMON:
22 Q. Mr. Randall, if you could just occupy yourself with the next
23 schedule. Entitled Bosanac personal file.
24 A. That is accurate.
25 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I would ask that this be given an
Page 4431
1 exhibit number.
2 MR. LUKIC: No objection.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you Mr. Lukic.
4 Madam Registrar, would you admit it, please.
5 MR. HARMON:
6 Q. Mr. Randall, the next file, Cvjetan personal files?
7 THE INTERPRETER: Would counsel please slow down because all this
8 has to be interpreted and court reported. Thank you.
9 MR. HARMON: Yes.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
11 MR. HARMON:
12 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule in order Cvjetan personal file?
13 A. It is accurate. It's the VJ monetary information file, not a
14 personnel file.
15 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, under seal,
16 Your Honour.
17 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much. Would you please admit under
19 seal, Madam Registrar.
20 MR. HARMON:
21 Q. Mr. Randall, the next in order is Djilas personnel file?
22 A. That is accurate.
23 MR. HARMON: I would ask that that be given an exhibit number as
24 well, Your Honour.
25 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
Page 4432
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: I'm going go slow for the sake of the
2 interpreters. So I delay announcing admission.
3 You may admit that, Madam Registrar.
4 MR. HARMON:
5 Q. Mr. Randall, the next file in order is Djukic Borislav personnel
6 file.
7 A. That is accurate.
8 MR. HARMON: I would ask that this be given an exhibit number,
9 Your Honour.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
11 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] I don't object to that document being
12 given an exhibit number. But there's just a general principle I would
13 like to bring up at this point. All these personnel files which were
14 admitted and which will be tendered in the future, the B/C/S is the whole
15 document, the entire document. Where Mr. Harmon translated -- had
16 portions translated into English and so I assume he is tendering those
17 portions.
18 Now, if the Defence wishes to tender some other portions which
19 are in B/C/S in the existing system they would have to provide an English
20 translation.
21 What I want to say is that all documents that are being admitted
22 into evidence now and which will be admitted in future that the B/C/S
23 is --
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Slow down, slow down. The interpreters --
25 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] -- the longer part rather than the
Page 4433
1 portions translated into English.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much. You can continue.
3 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] I think I have said it all.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
5 Mr. Harmon, any response.
6 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, there are portions of the personnel
7 files that are translated in English, portions that are untranslated.
8 They are the whole files in some cases because the whole files are --
9 contain information that may or may not be relevant to counsel, to the
10 Court. We have made an effort to translate what we consider to be
11 significant parts of those files. Counsel can rely on the admission of
12 the B/C/S file and under a document, under an exhibit number and make
13 selections of their own that they deem is appropriate.
14 So we are seeking the admission of the portions that are
15 identified in the schedule, and the B/C/S remains -- some parts remain
16 untranslated, obviously in the course of the trial, if counsel wants to
17 rely on parts of those, he has the opportunity to do so.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Fair enough?
19 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Yes, we already discussed that.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much. Admitted, Madam Registrar,
21 would you give an exhibit number to those, in due course.
22 MR. HARMON:
23 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule Djukic Djordje personnel file?
24 A. It is accurate.
25 MR. HARMON: Could I ask that this be given an exhibit number,
Page 4434
1 Your Honour. The two items on this schedule.
2 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much. Admit, Madam Registrar.
4 MR. HARMON:
5 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule, Drago Nikolic personnel file.
6 A. That is accurate.
7 MR. HARMON: And I would ask, Your Honour, that each of these
8 items on the schedule be given an exhibit number and that each of the
9 items be placed under seal.
10 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you. Madam Registrar, admit under seal.
12 MR. HARMON:
13 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule, Gacic personnel file that?
14 A. That is accurate.
15 MR. HARMON: I would ask that this be given an exhibit number.
16 MR. LUKIC: No objection.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Can you admit, Madam Registrar.
18 MR. HARMON:
19 Q. Next item, Mr. Randall, is the Gavric personnel file.
20 A. That is accurate.
21 MR. HARMON: Could this be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
22 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No objection.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: No objection. Just slow down a little bit.
24 Madam Registrar, can you give that a number, please. It's
25 admitted.
Page 4435
1 MR. HARMON:
2 Q. The next schedule, Your Honour, is Grubac personnel file.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: I'm not looking at you because I'm trying to catch
4 up with you.
5 MR. HARMON: I'm watching your hand, Your Honour, and so I'm
6 waiting and trying to pace myself.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. Thank you so much.
8 MR. HARMON:
9 Q. Mr. Randall, could you look at the Grubac personnel file, please.
10 A. That is accurate.
11 MR. HARMON: Then, Your Honour, I would ask that this be given an
12 exhibit number.
13 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No objection.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Admit that, Madam Registrar, and give it a number.
15 MR. HARMON:
16 Q. Mr. Randall, the next item is Grubor personnel file.
17 A. It is accurate.
18 MR. HARMON: I would ask that both of those items be given
19 exhibit numbers, Your Honour.
20 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No objection.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: You can admit, Madam Registrar.
22 MR. HARMON:
23 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule Kelecevic personnel file.
24 A. That is accurate.
25 MR. HARMON: Could I ask that that item be given an exhibit
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1 number, Your Honour.
2 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No objection.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: You can admit that, Madam Registrar.
4 MR. HARMON:
5 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule, Keserovic personnel file.
6 A. Unfortunately, the description doesn't have the name in the
7 title, short description. But it is a monetary information file. I
8 would have to have a look at it.
9 Q. We'll pass that.
10 If we could turn to the next schedule, Loncar personnel file.
11 A. That is accurate.
12 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
13 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No objection.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: You may admit, Madam Registrar.
15 MR. HARMON:
16 Q. Mr. Randall, do you have the master list in front of you, by
17 chance?
18 A. No.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Would you like to borrow mine?
20 MR. HARMON: I think that it's ...
21 Q. If you turn to page 119 you'll find 07303. That might assist you
22 in terms of the previous item, the Keserovic personnel file.
23 A. It's the monetary information file, and it was provided by the
24 government of the Republic of Serbia
25 Assistance 1344.
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1 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, if we could return to the Keserovic
2 personnel file, I would ask that it be given an exhibit number under
3 seal.
4 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No objection.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, can you admit under seal.
6 I guess we are now on Maric --
7 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour. We are now at Maric personnel
8 file.
9 Q. Mr. Randall, please examine that.
10 A. That's accurate.
11 MR. HARMON: I would ask that that be given an exhibit number,
12 Your Honour.
13 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No objection, Your Honour.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Admitted, Madam Registrar.
15 MR. HARMON:
16 Q. Next item, Mr. Randall, is the Orlic personnel file.
17 A. That is accurate.
18 MR. HARMON: Could I ask that that item be given an exhibit
19 number.
20 MR. GUY-SMITH: [Interpretation] No objection.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Will you please admit, Madam Registrar.
22 MR. HARMON:
23 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule is Poznanovic personnel file.
24 A. That is accurate.
25 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
Page 4438
1 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Will you admit that, please, Madam Registrar.
3 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule, RFAs.
4 A. 65 ter 5047, if that is Request for Assistance 1127, the source
5 is the Office of the Prosecutor, with the ICTY. Apart from that,
6 everything else is accurate.
7 Q. All right.
8 MR. HARMON: With that correction made, Your Honour, I would that
9 each of those items be given an exhibit number.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: On that basis, Mr. Randall, how is the logic
11 different in 5615 and 5635? It says the same thing. Our source is the
12 government, but the government is responding to a RFA from the
13 Prosecution.
14 THE WITNESS: 5615 is the response. 65 ter 5615 is the response
15 from the government and 5047 is the actual request for assistance before
16 the source of 5047 ... [Overlapping speakers]
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: [Overlapping speakers] ... Thank you so much for
18 that explanation.
19 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Admit, Madam Registrar.
21 MR. HARMON:
22 Q. Mr. Randall, the Sarac personnel file is the next schedule in
23 front of you.
24 A. It is accurate.
25 MR. HARMON: Could I ask that that be given an exhibit number,
Page 4439
1 Your Honour.
2 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much. Madam Registrar, will you
4 please admit.
5 MR. HARMON:
6 Q. Mr. Randall, the next item on the next schedule should be the
7 Simic personnel file.
8 A. That is accurate.
9 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
10 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you. Madam Registrar.
12 MR. HARMON:
13 Q. The Skrbic personnel file should be the next schedule before you,
14 Mr. Randall.
15 A. That is accurate.
16 MR. HARMON: Could that receive an exhibit number, Your Honour.
17 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
19 If I may just ask does the Defence have an objection to all these
20 personnel files [Overlapping speakers] ... all of them?
21 MR. GUY-SMITH: The answer is no. The only question -- the only
22 issue is that we have no objection with the understanding that they all
23 are being coming in from the standpoint of him operating as a custodian
24 with regard to the chain of custody on source. With that in mind,
25 because we don't want to be in a situation where we're just agreeing
Page 4440
1 because then we're in a different understanding.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes. I guess that is the underlying understanding
3 because you have not been raising with each -- as they come each now.
4 MR. GUY-SMITH: Yeah.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Can they be thrown in all of them?
6 MR. GUY-SMITH: We can throw in all personnel files with that as
7 an understanding.
8 MR. HARMON: That's fine, Your Honour, then just to identify them
9 for the record in order --
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: If you so wish, sir. Skrbic is admitted.
11 MR. HARMON: There's Sladokovic, Smiljanic, Spanovic, Spremo, and
12 then -- if those could all receive exhibit numbers. Actually I think it
13 may be more, efficient Your Honour, if I just come through these, I'll
14 just call out the names as I go in order, so I have called four in order.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: You are left with Spremo.
16 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour, I ended with Spremo.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: You ended with Spremo, okay.
18 MR. HARMON: Now go to the next -- actually if those could each
19 receive exhibit numbers for the record, Your Honour.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Between Spremo and the next personnel file, there
21 is it SVK general.
22 MR. HARMON: I will do it that way, Your Honour. Then the next
23 one would be Tomic.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Sorry, okay.
25 MR. HARMON: Next one would be Tomic and then Vlaisavljevic -
Page 4441
1 I've slaughtered the pronunciation on that. I apologise - then there is
2 Zivanovic. Next then there is Milovanovic. Those items as indicated on
3 the schedule that are shaded need to be under seal.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Under seal.
5 MR. HARMON: Under seal. Then there is Miletic. And Pandurevic
6 has also has items that should be under seal. And the Dragomir Milosevic
7 personnel file. And there is the Novakovic personnel file. The Tolimir
8 personnel file. Those are the ones that are at least in the schedules
9 without exemplars. I'm sorry, I'm told there is one I missed, the Galic
10 personnel file.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Did you take Milovanovic?
12 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
14 MR. HARMON: So I we have in this pile of schedules, Your Honour,
15 we have identified all of the remaining personnel files. There will be
16 additional personnel files that we come to in the course of the remaining
17 part of the examination when I identify exemplars from those files.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much. I'm still trying to keep
19 pace with you.
20 MR. HARMON: Okay.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: You have got Novakovic. You have got Tolimo.
22 THE INTERPRETER: As the court reporter notes, kindly switch off
23 all unnecessary microphones. Thank you.
24 MR. HARMON:
25 Q. Mr. Randall, let me turn to the next schedule, which -- at the
Page 4442
1 top says VRS Main Staff intelligence reports, information to VJ General
2 Staff intelligence administration.
3 A. Yes.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: All those personnel files are admitted, yes,
5 Madam Registrar. Don't we go to SVK general.
6 MR. HARMON: I'm sorry, I must have put that in the personnel
7 files. My mistake. Let's go to the SVK again.
8 Q. Mr. Randall, do you have that in front of you?
9 A. I do.
10 Q. Could you examine that and tell us the provenance in the schedule
11 is accurate?
12 A. Is it accurate.
13 MR. HARMON: I would ask then, Your Honour, that the two items on
14 this schedule be given exhibit numbers.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: Pending Mr. Lukic's comments.
16 MR. HARMON: Yes.
17 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Your Honour, as for this schedule,
18 may I take a moment, please, to consult.
19 [Defence counsel confer]
20 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Just a moment, please. I seem to
21 have taken up the wrong document.
22 SVK general, we propose that both documents be MFI'd.
23 MR. HARMON: No objection, Your Honour.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: MFI
25 MR. HARMON:
Page 4443
1 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule is VRS Main Staff, intelligence
2 reports information to VJ General Staff intelligence administration --
3 THE INTERPRETER: Kindly slow down when stating such long titles.
4 Thank you very much.
5 MR. HARMON: I will repeat that slowly.
6 Q. VRS Main Staff, intelligence reports information to VJ General
7 Staff intelligence administration.
8 A. That is accurate.
9 MR. HARMON: I would ask that each of the items receive an
10 exhibit number and that 65 ter 602 be placed under seal.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
12 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Your Honour, as for this group of
13 documents, I have a problem. We never received them as a group from the
14 Prosecutor. They are on Randall's list. That is true, and we went
15 through them individually but we can't state our position to them as a
16 group.
17 So I propose that by the end of business today, I don't suppose
18 we'll finish with Mr. Randall, so if the Prosecution still wishes to hear
19 my views with regard to this group of documents then can I do that at the
20 beginning of tomorrow's proceedings or we can go through the document one
21 by one, whichever.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon, slow down when you speak. I don't
23 know whether you do -- you probably don't hear the interpreter because
24 you listening into a different channel, but she struggles.
25 MR. HARMON: I was just checking to see when this was sent. We
Page 4444
1 have dealt with a lot of schedules so I have no problems with deferring
2 this, Your Honour until tomorrow. So counsel can have time to reflect on
3 this schedule.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Then it is deferred.
5 MR. HARMON:
6 Q. Mr. Randall, if we could turn to the next schedule,
7 miscellaneous.
8 MR. GUY-SMITH: Wait a minute.
9 [Defence counsel confer]
10 MR. GUY-SMITH: I think this is a schedule which we were trying
11 to come up with a better title because miscellaneous didn't really seem
12 to really identify anything. I think that was the discussion that we had
13 before.
14 MR. HARMON: I'm happy to rename this schedule designated as the
15 letter A for that matter suggested earlier, so if we could strike
16 miscellaneous and put the letter A.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: The important things is the documents listed there
18 you don't object to.
19 MR. GUY-SMITH: No.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: So as we said some time back the title means
21 nothing. It's the documents that are inside.
22 Okay. Thank you so much. Madam Registrar, you can admitted that
23 whole document. In other words, the documents listed therein.
24 THE WITNESS: It's accurate, Your Honour.
25 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, Mr. Randall --
Page 4445
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you, Mr. Randall. Sorry, we spoke ahead of
2 you, sorry.
3 MR. GUY-SMITH: Excuse me, I'm sorry. We seem to have gotten
4 ahead of ourselves again. I apologise, and it is entirety on us.
5 The best way of dealing with this particular -- oh, this is a
6 different schedule.
7 The best thing to do for the moment would be to MFI this
8 schedule. There is something that needs to be worked out apparently. I
9 now understand what the problem was. I'm sure it's something we will be
10 able to work this out.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: MFI
12 MR. HARMON: MFI
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
14 MR. HARMON:
15 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule in front of you says Zuc.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Let's wait for the witness and then the record
17 will follow chronologically, because we made a mistake a little earlier.
18 THE WITNESS: That's accurate.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Guy-Smith. Okay, Mr. Lukic.
20 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] When we discussed this group of
21 documents, Mr. Harmon said that he would think about them. But as he has
22 made his propose now, what I want to say is this. For documents 00664,
23 00945 ... we propose that they be MFI
24 can be admitted into evidence.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon.
Page 4446
1 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour, I was just conferring with my
2 colleague on those two items. We did have this discussion. I'm not sure
3 what action we took on those. I thought we had taken some action. If
4 they are MFI
5 entered into evidence.
6 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule is a single item, SVK intel
7 reports.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: I'm sorry, Mr. Harmon. For the record, yes, Zuc
9 schedule admitted. May they please be given an exhibit number
10 Madam Registrar.
11 MR. HARMON: Thank you, Your Honour.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: I'm sorry.
13 MR. HARMON:
14 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule, SVK intel reports, is the
15 designation at the top?
16 A. Yes, that is accurate.
17 MR. HARMON: I would ask, Your Honour, that that be given an
18 exhibit number.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
20 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] As for this document, I just have one
21 problem and I assume that we're going to solve it by a Trial Chamber
22 decision.
23 As a document has been described in the schedule, and mention is
24 made of three meetings attended by Mr. Perisic, the contents of the
25 document are not the same as the description of the document. I know
Page 4447
1 that as far as you're concerned, the description of the document doesn't
2 mean much but I would like to draw your attention to that but the
3 contents and the description are not one and the same.
4 Otherwise, as far as this document is concerned, I would like to
5 propose that it be MFI
6 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I think that I can correct this problem
7 right here. I believe 538 if we took this description just for the sake
8 of the description and we struck the words Milosevic, Perisic, Stanisic,
9 and Mladic, I think that would accurately describe 538.
10 There is another document that is 539 that is -- no, I'm sorry, I
11 will take that back, Your Honour. I withdraw my remarks.
12 This, we ask that that be admitted. My recollection is that this
13 description is accurate. But I want to admit the document and not the
14 description.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: Indeed. Your learned friend is suggesting that it
16 be MFI
17 MR. HARMON: Fine, Your Honour.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, MFI, admitted on that basis.
19 MR. HARMON:
20 Q. Mr. Randall, if we could turn to VRS intel reports, as the next
21 item.
22 A. That's accurate.
23 MR. HARMON: I would ask that these items be given exhibit
24 numbers and that 463 and 8996 be placed under seal.
25 MR. LUKIC: No objection.
Page 4448
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Admit, Madam Registrar, under seal for the last
2 two.
3 MR. HARMON:
4 Q. Next item, Mr. Randall, say Personnel Centres at the top.
5 A. That's accurate.
6 MR. HARMON: I would that each of those items be given an exhibit
7 number, Your Honour.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: And that 8961 and 8982 be under seal last page.
9 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour. That's absolutely correct,
10 Your Honour.
11 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] May I just take a moment, please,
12 Your Honour?
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: For the record, you may, Mr. Lukic.
14 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] The Defence agrees that from this
15 group of documents, the documents marked 09021, 7938, 08356, 08891,
16 05541, 05542, 06208, 07118, 05136, 05137, and 05304 be admitted into
17 evidence and the rest to be MFI
18 MR. HARMON: There's no objection to that, Your Honour.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, admit and MFI the rest.
20 MR. HARMON:
21 Q. Mr. Randall, the final schedule before you says unused annual
22 leave.
23 A. That is accurate.
24 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I would ask that the items on the
25 schedule be given exhibit numbers and that 7302, 7317, 7319, 7324, 7326,
Page 4449
1 7339, 7921, 7924, and 8083 be placed under seal.
2 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] As for this group of documents, the
3 Defence maintains its standing objection and you gave the overall ruling.
4 So the objection is the same, that it is outside the time-frame of the
5 indictment.
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: You can admit, Madam Registrar, and under seal for
7 those that are shaded.
8 MR. HARMON: That concludes the schedules, Your Honour.
9 Now, Your Honours have heard evidence, or we will be reviewing
10 evidence about personnel files. I am mindful of the restrictions that
11 the Trial Chamber has placed on the testimony of Mr. Randall, which is to
12 testify about the chain of chain of custody and the provenance of
13 documents. With leave of the Court, I will show a document part of a
14 personnel file, and I will merely ask Mr. Randall to identify -- it's a
15 schedule it's a part of a file that will, I believe, assist Your Honours
16 in understanding the documents that you will be reviewing in the future.
17 I will be one or two questions, if I can illustrate it by, first of all,
18 calling up 65 ter 8468, and I'd like to see page 2 of the English.
19 If you would scroll down. Yeah. I think it is self-explanatory,
20 Your Honour.
21 What I'd like to do is direct Your Honours' attention to number
22 10 in the English, which is found at the bottom of the page. And Your
23 Honours will see in the B/C/S - if you go down, please, you had it right
24 in the first place. Thank you - you will see a number 10 in the B/C/S,
25 in the translation. And this is a standard part of every personnel file,
Page 4450
1 and if you look at the captions in the English translation to the left,
2 you will inform you what's in the table in the B/C/S to the right.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: I'm not quite sure what you are saying.
4 MR. HARMON: Your Honours, will see in the B/C/S at the top.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: I must look at the B/C/S.
6 MR. HARMON: If you look at the top right of the B/C/S, it says
7 number 10 [B/C/S spoken]. I won't try the rest, but that is what it
8 says - my best effort - if you look at the bottom in the English, the
9 translation for that set of top -- the top of the column is found at the
10 left. So you will understand then, what this part of a personnel file
11 looks like and what it represents.
12 So when it says service status of -- in the far left-hand corner
13 at the left and then indicates the unit, the establishment rank from and
14 to a particular time-period, and the right is the status was regulated by
15 a decree or an order. And you will see then in the right-hand side a
16 series of columns that reflect an individual's various status in the
17 army.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: [Microphone not activated]
19 MR. HARMON: You will see this in every personnel file,
20 Your Honour. I take this break from the practice that we have been
21 indulging in order to try to assist Your Honours in understanding is when
22 you open these up, you will see a series of these charts in the front.
23 So if this could be given 8468, could be given an exhibit number.
24 Q. First of all, Mr. Randall, this is -- this is -- I should
25 backtrack. Mr. Randall, this is a part of a personnel file from a
Page 4451
1 gentleman named Sladojevic. Do you recognise this, Mr. Randall, and
2 could you consult --
3 A. I recognise the format of the document and the 65 ter number is?
4 Q. It is 8468.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: And you say the name of the gentleman.
6 MR. HARMON: It is, we're going to present a schedule,
7 Your Honour, at the end, it's Sladojevic, S-l-a-d-o-j-e-v-i-c.
8 Q. First of all, Mr. Randall, if we could now follow the normal
9 procedure. If you could identify the source and confirm that that source
10 is accurate.
11 A. Yes this is a page from the personnel file, the VJ personnel file
12 of Bogdan Sladojevic --
13 Q. Yes.
14 A. -- and it was received from the government of the Republic of
15 Serbia
16 MR. HARMON: If that, Your Honour, could that be given an exhibit
17 number.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: The document is admitted i. May it please be
19 given an exhibit number.
20 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P1522.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
22 MR. HARMON: Now, I could have 65 ter 7958 on the screen, please.
23 That's found at page 156 of the master list.
24 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document and its source?
25 A. Yes, this is an abridged version of order number 5-76/1 of the
Page 4452
1 chief of the personnel administration of the General Staff of the
2 Yugoslav army, dated 15th February 1994, appointing a number of persons
3 to the General Staff of the Yugoslav army 40th Personnel Centre. For
4 example with the item number 1, in the name of chief
5 Major-General Risto Matovic and that was provided by the government of
6 the Republic of Serbia
7 Q. Mr. Randall, you said item number 1 in that document has the name
8 of chief Major-General Risto Matovic. Examine number one just so the
9 record is accurate.
10 A. It's bearing the name, the chief the signatory is Major-General
11 Risto Matovic, sorry. Item number one has the name Milisav Sekulic.
12 MR. HARMON: All right. I would ask that that item be given an
13 exhibit number, Your Honour.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Guy-Smith.
15 MR. GUY-SMITH: I understand the purpose of this exercise is to
16 assist the Chamber. But I think that the question asked to Mr. Randall
17 and the answer given is going a bit further than the purpose for which
18 Mr. Randall is testifying, and I -- I don't mean to be in any sense
19 whatsoever obstructionist; however, because some of the concerns we have
20 previously voiced with regard to whatever further steps are going to be
21 taken in an analysis and examination of -- of the documents themselves,
22 and given that Mr. Harmon previously has taken the position that he
23 intends on arguing the truth of the contents of the document, I think
24 that with regard to this particular document, Mr. Randall is going a bit
25 far afield from the specific purpose which is identifying the source and
Page 4453
1 the chain of chain of custody. He is now commenting on the document
2 itself, which -- and I use the word offends I don't mean in any other
3 fashion other than an evidential one, as it offends not only that which
4 we have been doing but also the best evidence rule.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon.
6 MR. HARMON: I think Mr. Randall identified the document that is
7 it 7958 in a neutral way and then identified the source, and I think that
8 is sufficient, Your Honour.
9 MR. GUY-SMITH: He is now, as a matter of fact, he has testified
10 with regard to information that is contained in the document. He has
11 testified with regard to that in a fashion which is distinct from that
12 which has occurred before; and if we take a look that what has happened
13 throughout the exercise of Mr. Randall, I think there might have been a
14 slippage on one occasion or two, at the most, in which Mr. Randall has
15 confined him to not going outside of anything other than, for example,
16 here with this document, the title of the order. But he now is including
17 individuals in it, in a fashion different and distinct from that which he
18 has done before.
19 And the real concern here is, Your Honour, so you're clear,
20 because of Mr. Harmon's stated position with regard the truth of the
21 contents therein. It is our submission that it is inappropriate for
22 Mr. Randall to go further than just a mere identification of the document
23 than in its most simplest and most skeletal terms.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Well, Mr. Randall unfortunately is not a lawyer or
25 if he is, he is not here in that capacity, so we hear what are you are
Page 4454
1 saying.
2 Do you want to respond to that Mr. Harmon?
3 MR. HARMON: No, Your Honour, I'm in your hands, Your Honour.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Can we then give that document an exhibit number.
5 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P1523.
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
7 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 8509 on the screen, please.
8 That's found at page 193 of the master list.
9 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document and its provenance,
10 please.
11 A. This is an order of the chief of the General Staff of
12 Yugoslav army dated 5 October 1994
13 number, is 3-263 bearing name of the chief of the General Staff of
14 Yugoslav army, Colonel General Momcilo Perisic. And it was provided by
15 the government of the Republic of Serbia
16 Assistance 1344.
17 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
18 MR. GUY-SMITH: I don't think there is going to be a difficulty.
19 If we could scroll down to the bottom of the document because I believe
20 that Mr. Randall, in this document -- excuse me, in hard copy and there
21 was something that he referred to in the document that I'm not seeing.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: He said it was given under the hand of
23 General Momcilo Perisic. I'm waiting to see that.
24 MR. GUY-SMITH: Right. Okay. You have not seen it.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: [Microphone not activated]
Page 4455
1 MR. HARMON: Could the Registrar scroll down on the B/C/S,
2 please.
3 MR. GUY-SMITH: Fine.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: The document is admitted. May it please be given
5 an exhibit number.
6 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honour, that will be Exhibit P1524.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
8 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 8512 on the monitor, please.
9 This is found at page 193 of the master list.
10 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify the document and its provenance,
11 please?
12 A. This is a Yugoslav army report on receipt of duty dated 1
13 November 1994. And it bears signature or two names, Bogdan Sladojevic
14 and Zlatoje Terzic, and that was received in response to Request for
15 Assistance 1344 from the government of the Republic of Serbia
16 MR. HARMON: Could the same be given an exhibit number,
17 Your Honour.
18 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Give it an exhibit number, please,
20 Madam Registrar.
21 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P1525.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
23 MR. HARMON: For the next exhibit, Your Honour, I need to go into
24 private session.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: May the Chamber please move into private session.
Page 4456
1 [Private session]
2 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we're in private session.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
4 Yes. Mr. Harmon.
5 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 7387 on the monitor, please.
6 This is found on the master list at page 125.
7 Q. 7387, Mr. Randall.
8 A. 7387? Mm-hmm.
9 MR. HARMON: It appears that the wrong item is on the monitor.
10 Could we -- could I have just a moment.
11 [Prosecution counsel confer]
12 MR. HARMON: I'm sorry, it is my mistake. If I could have then
13 the -- the translation page, the -- ET 0622-3645 on the monitor.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: I don't see that number that are you mentioning,
15 Mr. Harmon.
16 MR. HARMON: This is the correct -- it's on the upper right-hand
17 corner, Your Honour, I see --
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: I looked, yeah.
19 MR. HARMON: [Overlapping speakers] ... translation number.
20 [Trial Chamber confers]
21 MR. HARMON: The ET number I read out, Your Honour, appears in
22 the upper right-hand corner. It is not visible on the English
23 translation of this document. So if we could move the document to the
24 left at the top you'll see the --
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: [Microphone not activated]
Page 4457
1 THE INTERPRETER: Microphone, please.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Sorry. Can we move the document down and to the
3 left also, please. Further down, to the left, please.
4 MR. HARMON: I think you need to see the ET --
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: We'd like to see the top part, that side.
6 MR. HARMON: That is the number I called out, Your Honour, the ET
7 number.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay.
9 MR. HARMON: Now if we can have the whole document on the English
10 version visible.
11 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document and inform us of the
12 provenance of it.
13 A. It is a report on the receipt of duty dated 1 November 1994, in
14 the name of Bogdan Sladojevic, received from the government of the
15 Republic of Serbia
16 MR. HARMON: Could this item be given an exhibit number,
17 Your Honour.
18 MR. LUKIC: No objection.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: The item is admitted. May it please be given an
20 exhibit number.
21 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P1526, Your Honour.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
23 MR. HARMON: May we go into public session, Your Honour, I have
24 one more document --
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: May the Chamber please move into open session.
Page 4458
1 [Open session]
2 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we're in open session.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
4 Yes, Mr. Harmon.
5 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, could the exhibit, the last exhibit be
6 placed under seal.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, could we plays Exhibit P1526
8 under seal.
9 MR. HARMON: And if we could have Exhibit 482 on the monitor.
10 That's found at page 26 of the master list.
11 THE WITNESS: Sorry, what number on the master list?
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Page 26 on the master list is Exhibit 482.
13 THE WITNESS: Thank you.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
15 MR. HARMON: If I said exhibit I meant 65 ter number 428.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yeah, fair enough.
17 MR. HARMON:
18 Q. Mr. Randall, can you -- first of all, identify that document and
19 can you identify its provenance, please.
20 A. It's order number 200-103 of the chief of human resources of the
21 VJ General Staff, dated 3 July 1995
22 Major-General Dusan Zoric. And that was provided to the Office of the
23 Prosecutor by Bogdan Sladojevic.
24 MR. HARMON: If the same could be given and exhibit number,
25 Your Honour.
Page 4459
1 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No objection.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Can you please give that an exhibit number,
3 Madam Registrar.
4 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P1527, Your Honours.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
6 MR. HARMON: I have concluded, Your Honour, for this evening.
7 Thank you.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much. Yes, Mr. Lukic.
9 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] I have a request to make in relation
10 to one of the documents that you admitted as an exhibit on the 12th of
11 March. We -- or, rather, I, made a mistake because I agreed to the
12 document being admitted into evidence. It is P877, 65 ter 9227 at page
13 4254 of the transcript of the 12th of March. That's where you made the
14 ruling for its admission, and I made an error. I asked -- or, rather, I
15 agreed to it being admitted. I subsequently talked to Mr. Harmon and we
16 both agreed that it should be MFI
17 asked that the document only be MFI
18 then nevertheless made an error during the hearing.
19 MR. HARMON: I have no objection, Your Honour.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, if I could marked for
21 identification Exhibit P877.
22 THE REGISTRAR: Yes, Your Honour.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
24 Mr. Randall, I'm sorry we still haven't finished with you.
25 THE WITNESS: It's fine with me, Your Honour.
Page 4460
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Fine with you. We come back tomorrow,
2 Mr. Randall, at, again quarter past 2.00 in this same courtroom.
3 We are in open session, aren't we? Yes. Yes, we are.
4 The matter stands adjourned to tomorrow, Courtroom II, quarter
5 past 2.00, Courtroom 2.
6 Court adjourned.
7 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 7.04 p.m.
8 to be reconvened on Wednesday, the 18th day of
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