Tribunal Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia

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 1                           Monday, 12 November 2012

 2                           [Open session]

 3                           [The accused entered court]

 4                           --- Upon commencing at 9.11 a.m.

 5             JUDGE DELVOIE:  Good morning to everyone in and around the

 6     courtroom.

 7             May we have the appearance -- no.  Mr. Registrar, can you call

 8     the case, please.

 9             THE REGISTRAR:  Good morning, Your Honour.  This is case number

10     IT-04-75-T, the Prosecutor versus Goran Hadzic.  Thank you.

11             JUDGE DELVOIE:  Thank you.  May we have the appearances, please.

12             MR. STRINGER:  Good morning, Mr. President, Your Honours.

13     Douglas Stringer, Matthew Olmsted, and Case Manger Thomas Laugel for the

14     Prosecution.

15             JUDGE DELVOIE:  For the Defence.

16             MR. GOSNELL:  For Mr. Hadzic, Christopher Gosnell, co-counsel.

17             JUDGE DELVOIE:  Thank you.

18             For the record, the late start today is due to the fact that we

19     had to consider the -- today's hearing -- well, the problems for probably

20     this week, this week's hearings, due to the fact that Mr. Zivanovic is

21     hospitalised.

22             Mr. Stringer, we understood that Mr. Zivanovic will not be able

23     to continue the cross-examination of the witness we have on the stand for

24     the moment and that there is no other option than to delay his further

25     cross-examination until at least last week -- next week.  So I suppose

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 1     the witness will go home and come back later, at any point later.

 2             MR. STRINGER:  Yes, Mr. President.  I think to try to bring or

 3     hold the witness over and bring him back to testify next week or even the

 4     week after is just going to push a whole long line of witnesses further

 5     back and disrupt a lot of the scheduling that's already been done.

 6             Could we propose to Your Honours that this witness, number 16, be

 7     brought in, he's a closed-session witness, informed that we're unable to

 8     continue and that he's going to be sent back home.

 9             And then if I could ask the Chamber's permission for the

10     Prosecution to speak with the witness.  He's still under the Rule, of

11     course, but in terms of just speaking to him about logistics of when he

12     might be able to return and how we might be able to organise that best,

13     it would be very helpful.  Of course, there would not be any discussions

14     about his evidence or testimony or the case itself.

15             JUDGE DELVOIE:  You would agree, I suppose, to do this in the

16     presence of somebody from VWS?

17             MR. STRINGER:  Certainly, Your Honour, yes.

18             JUDGE DELVOIE:  Thank you.

19                           [Trial Chamber confers]

20             JUDGE DELVOIE:  Mr. Gosnell, you have any objection to that?

21             MR. GOSNELL:  We have no objection to that procedure.  Thank you,

22     Your Honour.

23             JUDGE DELVOIE:  So that request is granted, Mr. Stringer.

24             For the further proceedings this week, as we understood,

25     Mr. Gosnell, you would like to have some extra time to prepare for the


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 1     cross-examination of the next witness which would be able to start

 2     eventually on -- on Thursday; is that right?

 3             MR. GOSNELL:  Yes, Mr. President.  I could put myself in a

 4     position to be ready to cross-examine GH-015 starting on Thursday.

 5             JUDGE DELVOIE:  Thank you.  Mr. Stringer, the Chamber would

 6     prefer to have 015, the direct examination, right before the

 7     cross-examination and not have a few days in between, so the best option

 8     would be to start the direct examination on Wednesday morning.  Would

 9     that suit you?

10             MR. STRINGER:  Yes.  In fact, that was going to be our proposal

11     as well.

12             JUDGE DELVOIE:  Okay.  So we will do -- we will do it that way.

13     And then the witness that is actually waiting to come into court can be

14     brought into the courtroom.  That's 016, of course.

15             In closed session, yes.  Thank you, Mr. Registrar.

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 4                           [Open session]

 5             THE REGISTRAR:  We're in open session, Your Honours.  Thank you.

 6             JUDGE DELVOIE:  Thank you.  Let me just ask now whether we

 7     covered everything we needed to cover.  Is there anything else?  No.

 8             Court adjourned, and we will be back Wednesday morning.  Thank

 9     you.

10                           --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 9.22 a.m.,

11                           to be reconvened on Wednesday, the 14th day

12                           of November, 2012, at 9.00 a.m.