Tribunal Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia

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 1                            Thursday, 3 June 2004

 2                            [Open session]

 3                            --- Upon commencing at 9.06 a.m.

 4                            [The accused entered court]

 5             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Mr. Registrar, could you call

 6    the case, please.

 7             THE REGISTRAR: [Interpretation] Case number IT-01-47-T, the

 8    Prosecutor versus Enver Hadzihasanovic and Amir Kubura.

 9             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. Registrar.

10             Could we have the appearance for the Prosecution, please.

11             MR. MUNDIS:  Good morning, Your Honours, Counsel, and everyone in

12    and around the courtroom.  For the Prosecution, Mathias Neuner, Daryl

13    Mundis, and our case manager, Mr. Andres Vatter.

14             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

15             And Defence counsel.

16             MS. RESIDOVIC: [Interpretation] Good morning, Mr. President.

17    Good morning, Your Honours.  On behalf of General Enver Hadzihasanovic,

18    Edina Residovic, counsel -- lead counsel; and Mr. Stephane Bourgon,

19    co-counsel.  Thank you.

20             MR. IBRISIMOVIC: [Interpretation] Good morning, Your Honours.  On

21    behalf of Mr. Kubura, Rodney Dixon, Fahrudin Ibrisimovic, and Nermin

22    Mulalic, our legal assistant.

23             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

24             The Trial Chamber would like to greet everyone in the courtroom,

25    members of the Prosecution, Defence counsel, the accused, and everyone

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 1    else in the courtroom, including the interpreters, who are assisting us

 2    efficiently.

 3             We will be viewing some videos today, but before we do so, the

 4    Trial Chamber will render an oral decision.

 5             I will now ask the registrar to go into private session.

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11             THE REGISTRAR: [Interpretation] We are in private session -- we

12    are in open session, Mr. President.

13             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

14             I'll now turn to the Prosecution.  We will continue with the

15    viewing of the videos.  But are there any questions the Defence would like

16    to ask?  You may take the floor.

17             MS. RESIDOVIC: [Interpretation] Mr. President, could we go into

18    private session very briefly again?

19             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Mr. Registrar, we will go back

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21             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] I'll now give the floor to the

22    Prosecution to address the issue of the video.

23             MR. NEUNER:  Good morning, Your Honours.

24             JUDGE ANTONETTI:  Just a moment, please.

25             [Interpretation] I have another semantic issue to deal with, and

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 1    I will let Judge Swart question Mr. Dixon about the matter.

 2             JUDGE SWART:  Just a question of detail, Mr. Dixon.  Yesterday

 3    you said when we saw the video with the former President Izetbegovic that

 4    there was a difference in B/C/S between the word "Mujahed" and

 5    "Mujahedin."  If the original text we have seen -- in the two original

 6    texts the word "Mujahed" is being used and in the English translation the

 7    word "Mujahedin."  You draw our attention to the difference, and you said

 8    basically these two words have fundamentally or importantly different

 9    meanings, but you didn't explain the difference.  I would like to hear

10    what is behind your remark.

11             MR. DIXON:  Thank you, Your Honour.

12             Your Honour, I didn't go into any detail, as I expected that this

13    would become clearer through the evidence presented in the case and the

14    Defence case.  But, Your Honour, in a nutshell, the word "Mujahed," I'm

15    informed, is a word which refers to a fighter and not necessarily a

16    foreign fighter waging a holy war, which is what "Mujahedin" refers to,

17    certainly in the way in which it's been referred to in the indictment

18    brought by the Prosecution and also in the evidence presented by -- by the

19    witnesses to date.  And because of that distinction in the

20    meaning, "Mujahedin" having a particular meaning relating to a fighter

21    with a very specific cause in mind, it's because of that difference to the

22    general term "Mujahed" which simply refers to a fighter that I wanted to

23    draw the distinction in the translation and ensure that the English

24    translation did match with the word that was used in the original Bosnian.

25    But Your Honour, this will become more apparent during the course of the

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 1    trial.  And I don't wish to myself give more evidence about the matter

 2    but simply to have it corrected for the record at this stage.

 3             Thank you, Your Honour.

 4             JUDGE SWART:  Thank you very much.

 5             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Yes.  As far as this question

 6    is concerned, the Trial Chamber would also like to know about the

 7    existence of a word in B/C/S that would cover these two concepts.  Is

 8    there a term in B/C/S that makes a distinction between a combatant and a

 9    combatant involved in a religious mission or some other sort of mission?

10    Is there the terms in B/C/S that make this distinction, terms that we

11    might be able to find in English but not in B/C/S?

12             MS. RESIDOVIC: [Interpretation] Mr. President, in the Bosnian

13    language, there are quite a lot of words that come from the Arabic and

14    Turkish language.  "Mujahed" and "Mujahedin" are Arabic words.

15             In Bosnian, "Mujahed," would be translated as "combatant."  In

16    Arabic "din" means "faith."  If you add "din," the particle "din" to

17    "Mujahed" in Arabic then this would be translated as a holy or religious

18    combatant in our language.  That's my understanding, although I am not an

19    expert in languages.  But this is how "Mujahed" and "Mujahedin" is

20    translated in our country.

21             MR. DIXON:  Your Honour, if I -- if I could also add that all of

22    the B/C/S witnesses who have come before Your Honours and testified about

23    the presence of the Mujahedin in Bosnia, if the transcript is examined,

24    they have used the word "Mujahedin" to describe the foreigners who were

25    there in Central Bosnia.  They have not used the word "Mujahed," and

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 1    that's another reason why we wanted to -- to point out the distinction.

 2    There's no such word for "Mujahedin" in B/C/S other than "Mujahedin," but

 3    it has a particular meaning and that's the one that's been ascribed to by

 4    the witnesses who have come to Your Honours to date.

 5             Thank you, Your Honours.

 6            JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Mr. Mundis, does the Prosecution

 7    have any comments to make with regard to this semantic issue in order to

 8    clarify the matter for the Trial Chamber?

 9             MR. MUNDIS:  Not at this time, Mr. President.  We may revisit the

10    issue, but I don't anticipate we will need to do so.  But we have nothing

11    to add at this time.  Thank you.

12             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

13             We'll continue viewing the videos now, and we'll pay particular

14    attention to see whether the commentators used the word "Mujahedin" or if

15    other persons in the video used this term, in order to see what the

16    importance of this term is.

17             MR. NEUNER:  Good morning, Your Honours.  Good morning, Defence

18    counsels.

19             I first want to mention that this morning the Prosecution has

20    handed over to the Defence two transcripts from the Kordic and Cerkez case

21    relating to the first and to the fourth video shown yesterday.  And after

22    the break or at some later point in time we intend to turn to these

23    transcripts.

24             Secondly, the Prosecution has revisited the so-called reserve

25    list and intends to raise in the course of the day another tape or the

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 1    broadcasting of another tape with the Defence counsels and two other tapes

 2    are currently being checked, but at this point in time we cannot say

 3    anything about it.  In the course of the day, probably at the end of the

 4    day, we will make an announcement.

 5             As it stands now, it's not -- in the course of the day, we will

 6    make an announcement about this.

 7             Then turning to the first tape this morning.  It's the tape which

 8    is on your lists under number 2.  It's V0003764, which is -- or the

 9    translation -- excuse me, the transcript is contained in tab number 1 of

10    the binder.  This tape has a duration of 113 minutes, close to two hours,

11    and since it is 9.30 already, the broadcasting will be split up into two

12    pieces at least, a first piece being shown now and a second piece being

13    shown after the break.

14             This exhibit -- or this videotape has been put into evidence

15    already through the witness Zivko Totic on the 26th of February, 2004.  It

16    has the exhibit number P70.  An excerpt from this tape has been put to the

17    witness Zivko Totic, not the whole tape.  The tape is probably from 1993.

18    The Prosecution doesn't have particular information about it.  Also, the

19    author of this tape is not exactly clear.  The submitter of this tape was

20    Rida Attarashany, who in 1998 was spokesman for the OHR in Bosnia and for

21    Carlos Westendorp, and this tape was handed over to the lead investigator

22    of the ICTY, Peter Hackshaw, in December 2001.  The content of this tape

23    relates to paragraph 18 till 21 of the third amended version of the

24    indictment.

25             The tape will be shown now, if there are no further questions.

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 1             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.

 2             Would the Defence like to make any observations at this stage?

 3             MR. BOURGON: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. President.

 4             Good morning, Madam Judge.  Good morning, Your Honour.

 5             I would like to make my comments after having seen the tape, and

 6    at certain points on the videotape, at precise instances, for fractions of

 7    seconds we see dates, the appearance of dates.

 8             I'm going to quote two examples.  Five minutes 30 seconds on the

 9    tape, the date of the 26th of May, 1995 appears; and also similarly, later

10    on at seven minutes 11 seconds the date of the 15th of December, 1995

11    appears.  So these dates, Mr. President, can be seen for a fraction of a

12    second because the video is a montage or collage of videotapes.

13             So I would like to make additional comments once we've seen the

14    tape, viewed the tape.

15             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

16             Mr. Dixon has the floor.

17             MR. DIXON:  Yes.  Thank you, Your Honour.

18             Just one point, and that is, as the Prosecution has indicated,

19    only a portion so far has been introduced into evidence because it was

20    identified by the witness Mr. Totic.  But as Your Honours will see,

21    there's a compilation of so many different scenes in this tape taken from

22    a range of different places, and that is why we contest it.  Because as

23    the Prosecution have indicated, we don't know who the author is and we

24    don't know where half of these scenes come from, in the absence of a

25    witness who could identify any of them.

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 1             Thank you, Your Honours.

 2             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Yes.  One part was tendered,

 3    but the tape was tendered towards the end of the identification process,

 4    as far as the registrar tells me, because P90 -- P70 says "Totic."  It was

 5    marked for identification.  It says:  "Totic, the exchange of prisoners in

 6    front of the Internacional Hotel," and it says that this was not admitted

 7    but just marked for identification.

 8             Please continue.

 9             MR. NEUNER:  Just two small technical announcements.  For the

10    translators, in tab number 1 of the binder there are basically two

11    distinct transcripts in the English language, the first one being 44 pages

12    long.  It has no footage but appears to be very elaborated.  And the

13    second one, which is just a few pages long, is at the end of tab number 1

14    and it contains also footage on the left-hand side; however, this second

15    transcript is less detailed.

16             Then I want to ask Your Honours when you wish to make a break

17    this morning.  It is now 9.40.  The Prosecution, since this is a very

18    large --

19             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Normally it would be at 10.30.

20    The break would be at 10.30.  It's always at half past 10.00, so you have

21    approximately one hour.

22             MR. NEUNER:  So we'll try to find a suitable point before 9.30

23    [sic] to make the break.  We might need to interrupt spontaneously then,

24    the tape.

25             THE INTERPRETER:  Could the interpreters receive the Chamber's

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 1    guidance.  Do we read the text in English that is spoken in Arabic or not?

 2             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Yes.  The interpreters are

 3    asking us whether they are required to read the Arabic text.  I don't

 4    think that is necessary, since they cannot actually translate it and

 5    interpret it, so we'll just listen to the tape without the interpretation,

 6    the Arabic.

 7                          [Videotape played]

 8                THE INTERPRETER: [Voiceover] -- for he knows that if Allah

 9    wills for a shell to hit us now, we would be all killed there.

10                THE NARRATOR: [In English] Azam Publications UK presents it's

11    first video cassette, "The Muslim [inaudible]," recording the historical

12    events of the martyrs in Bosnia.

13                          [Arabic spoken]

14                THE NARRATOR: [In English] When the Muslims heard this call

15    and painful scream, several of the Islamic personalities, who felt

16    concerned for the well-being of the being, and from those who waged Jihad

17    in Allah's sake, moved towards the land of Bosnia.  At the forefront of

18    this movement were some of the brothers who are veterans of the Afghan

19    Jihad. The Afghan Jihad, served as an institute for the teaching of Jihad,

20    from which numerous militarymen and the Mujahedin leadership graduated,

21    producing groups which played active roles with the will of Allah in the

22    Jihad, and had an influence on the Mujahedin in different parts of the

23    Muslim world.

24            One month after the war started in 1992, the first group of the

25    foreign Mujahedin arrived in the land of Bosnia and formed two Jihad

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 1    camps.  The first was in Central Bosnia.  The second was situated in an

 2    area called Mehuric, which is close to the city of Travnik.  There was

 3    also a presence of the Mujahedin brothers, in Turbe and Radina [phoen],

 4    which lie between Travnik and Doniva [phoen].  These efforts were carried

 5    out under the leadership of Sheikh Abu Abdel Aziz, who was one of the

 6    first people to arrive in Bosnia from the Arabian Peninsula.  There he met

 7    the Mujahedin Shaheed Sheikh Anwar Sha'baan and together they agreed on

 8    the importance of initiating and carrying out the Jihad efforts in Bosnia,

 9    to give victory to the Muslims and repel the enemy aggressors.

10            With regards to the military situation in Bosnia at that time,

11    there existed the civilian armed force named the TO, in each area,

12    responsible for the training and defending of the local inhabitants.  And

13    there was the Croatian HVO Defence Forces, comprising of Croatians and

14    assisted by some Muslims. Agents from these forces were responsible for

15    igniting and increasing the tensions in Bosnia.  They undertook

16    provocative operations that the Serbs were awaiting, in order to carry out

17    their plans to form Greater Serbia and Greater Croatia, at the expense of

18    the Muslims.

19            The Muslims suffered a series of early defeats, due to their lack

20    of war preparations, and the absence of an independent military

21    leadership.  Their presence amongst the ranks of the Croats, added to

22    this, as the Croats possessed the necessary heavy military equipment, and

23    the access routes to mainland Croatia, in order to fulfil their plans and

24    ambitions. The Serbs possessed advanced weapons of the ex-Yugoslav army,

25    at the period of time when the Muslims were in isolation, lacking even the

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 1    simplest and most basic of military hardware and weaponry.  As a result,

 2    they were forced to withdraw from the front lines, as will be narrated

 3    later on.

 4            The foreign Mujahedin were left with no option but to accept this

 5    unfortunate situation.  The Mujahedin began by joining the civil defence

 6    units, due to the lack of an independent military leadership at that time.

 7      It also enabled them to become familiar with the geography of the local

 8    areas, to gain an understanding of the Bosnian people and to locate the

 9    enemy positions.

10            The numbers of the Mujahedin began to increase day by day, with

11    the Muslims coming from different and widespread locations.  Groups of

12    Mujahedin with previous Jihad and military experience from Afghanistan,

13    began arriving in Bosnia. The Mujahedin then began teaching the Bosnian

14    youth in Tesanj, to prepare them militarily, and teach them the Sariah, in

15    order to wage a Jihad for the sake of Allah, in the correct manner.

16            This caused the people to sit up, to take notice and to ask:  "Who

17    are the Mujahedins and why have they come to this land?"  So fright and

18    terror began to take root in the hearts of the Serbs. The Serbs were

19    unable to take possession, and command of the areas, in which the

20    Mujahedin were present, as in the case of Tesanj, and this was all due to

21    Allah's will and blessing.

22            Once the number of foreign Mujahedin had increased sufficiently,

23    it was inevitable and necessary to establish a camp for the Mujahedin.

24    The first camp for the military preparation and training was established

25    in Mehuri.

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 2            THE NARRATOR: [In English] In August 1992, there was a vicious

 3    Serb offensive against the Muslims in Tesanj.  The Serb objective was to

 4    take control of Tesanj and gain access to Central Bosnia.  The Mujahedin

 5    played a prominent role, with the help of Allah, in repelling this Serb

 6    offensive. The Bosnian TO forces participated in repelling the offensive,

 7    and there were heavy Serb casualties despite an inequality in the weaponry

 8    and military preparations of the two sides.  As a result of the heavy Serb

 9    shelling, some of the TO units left their positions.  This led to the

10    Mujahedin being frustrated and loosing their confidence in the Bosnian

11    forces, due to the observations of the numerous defeats and withdrawals

12    amongst their ranks.  As a result, several of the foreign Mujahedin

13    decided to go back to their countries.  The patient ones remained, hoping

14    for the rule of Allah, to [inaudible] and they continued patience through

15    the difficulties and times of tribulation, all for the sake of Allah.

16            During this period, Sheikh Abu Abdel Aziz, the leader of the

17    Mujahedin in Bosnia, started to openly discuss the long-term effects of

18    the Bosnian crisis and its importance, due to its situation, in the heart

19    of Europe.  He began to relay the news of the Jihad and the Mujahedin in

20    Bosnia to the rest of the world.  The prominent Islamic scholars in the

21    world then began to give sermons and lectures on this issue.  At the

22    forefront of them were Sheikh Salman Al-Awdah and Sheikh Abdul-Majeed

23    Az-Zindani, [inaudible] and other scholars, for whom the issue of Jihad

24    has a high importance, Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman, Sheikh Omar Bin Ahmad

25    Saif and Sheikh Abu Talal Al Qaasimi.  Numerous young men from different

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 1    Muslim countries, prepared themselves, and began to leave for the Jihad in

 2    Bosnia [inaudible] for a driving force, for the Jihad issued to arise in

 3    Europe due to the many efforts of the callers to Islam.  At the head of

 4    them was Sheikh Anwar Sha'baan, may Allah have Mercy on him, who

 5    established summer training camps.

 6            In the summer of 1992, Sheikh Anwar arrived in Bosnia, with a

 7    group of brothers, to participate in a summer camp.  It was at this time

 8    that the Mujahedin were planning and preparing for their first offensive

 9    Jihad operation against the Serbs.

10            During the September 1992, the first Mujahedin offensive operation

11    against the Serbs was carried out, under

12    the leadership of the Bahraini Prince Muhammad Al-Faatih Al Bahraini, with

13    Sheikh Anwar Sha'baan, as second in command.  The Bosnian Muslim forces

14    had been formed, and Allah willed for them to join the Mujahedin.  A group

15    of them participated in the operation.  The Mujahedin moved towards the

16    Serb front line, penetrating and gaining control over these areas,

17    inflicting heavy defeats on the enemies of Allah.   At this time the

18    Bosnians did not have a complete understanding of the Islam, of

19    [inaudible], and the understanding of why they were fighting.  In addition

20    to this, the limited military capabilities of the front line meant that

21    they were unable to hold their positions due to the heavy Serbian

22    shelling.

23            Mohammad Al-Faatih Al Bahraini came from Bahrain to the land of

24    Jihad in Bosnia, after he had abandoned the world of all its attractions.

25    He was a prince of the royal family in Bahrain.  He is married, however

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 1    the responsibilities of married life did not prevent him from going to

 2    Jihad.  His wife would encourage him to go for Jihad.  He was also

 3    convinced of the need to go to the land of Bosnia by a dream, in which he

 4    was being called to Jihad in the mountains of the Balkans.  At this time,

 5    he did not know what the Balkans were.  Once his dream had been

 6    interpreted and he was informed that the Balkan mountains were in Bosnia

 7    and Herzegovina, he answered the call to Jihad and made his way to the

 8    Balkans.  Mohammad Al-Faatih had participated in the Jihad of Afghanistan

 9    where he gained a high level of military experience.  Brother Abu Sahar

10    [phoen] from Egypt, who lived with Al-Faatih, said of him:

11                          [Arabic spoken]

12            THE NARRATOR: [In English] Abu Shareef was from the first people

13    to arrive in the land of Jihad of Bosnia on the same ship that was

14    carrying Al-Faatih, and Allah willed for them both to be killed in the

15    first operation against the Serbs.  Abu Shareef had participated in the

16    Afghan Jihad.  Then he moved to a European country.  Upon hearing of the

17    tragedy that had befallen the Muslims in Bosnia he answered the call of

18    his Lord.

19            As to the say in which he was killed after the death of Al-Faatih,

20    in the physical operation the brothers decided to take his body away.  Abu

21    Shareef had the responsibility of providing cover for the brothers with a

22    PK machine-gun whilst they were removing Al-Faatih's body.  Then Abu

23    Shareef was hit by a piece of shrapnel on his arm, and a moment later he

24    was hit by a mortar shell which killed him and Abu Anas Al-Jeddawi so they

25    joined their brother Al-Faatih.  May Allah have Mercy upon them.

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 1            This story reminds us of a poet's saying:  "Whoever's death is

 2    written in a certain land, then he would not die in a land other than it."

 3      He graduated from the Afghan Jihad after fulfilling his duty there.  He

 4    then arrived in Bosnia in order to help his Muslim brothers gain victory.

 5    He was renowned for his cheerfulness, his pleasant character and his jokes

 6    that did not exceed the limits of the Shariah.  All the brothers loved

 7    him.

 8            One of the brothers, Abu Sahar says of him:

 9                          [Arabic spoken]

10            THE NARRATOR: [In English] He participated in the Jihad of

11    Afghanistan but was not bestowed with the honour of Martyrdom there.  So

12    Allah willed for him to join the caravan of Martyrs in the land of Bosnia

13    after receiving a direct hit from a piece of shrapnel in his face which

14    resulted in his immediate death.  We consider him from the Shokadah

15    [phoen] with the will of Allah.

16            In addition to the prominent role played by the Arabs in the

17    Bosnian Jihad, the non-Arabs also had a key role in the Jihad.  In this

18    operation, Abdullah from Albania and Abdul-Majeed from Turkey were also

19    killed.  They came from their respective countries to participate with the

20    Muslims in their Jihad against the enemies of Allah.  We ask Allah to

21    accept them both from the Shokadah.

22            In October 1992, a group of Mujahedin carried out an operation to

23    liberate Sarajevo airport from the surrounding Serbs.  The disbelieving

24    United Nations forces amongst them soldiers from the Egyptian army,

25    intervened in repelling this attack.  Two brothers, Abdul-Abbas and Abu

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 1    Zubair [phoen], both from Madinah [phoen], were killed in this operation.

 2    May Allah have Mercy upon them.

 3            The French United Nations shot and killed Ibrahim from Britain,

 4    one of the brothers who was on his way to Sarajevo.  His body was found

 5    near Sarajevo airport after a Bosnian Mujahedin had witnessed his killing.

 6      They also killed two students, a Syrian, and an Algerian, in Sarajevo.

 7    At this stage it became apparent the cunning role that the international

 8    forces were playing.  They always protected the Christians and hunted the

 9    Muslims, because all disbelievers only stay loyal to each other.  It was

10    not possible for the problems of the Muslims to be solved at a conference

11    table of the disbelievers.

12            When we come to mention the memories of Muhammad Al-Habashi

13    [phoen], Abu Zubair and Fadil Al-A'Idee Abul-Abbas [phoen].  It was sorrow

14    upon sorrow into our hearts at the loss of these dear two brothers.

15                          [Arabic spoken]

16            THE NARRATOR: [In English] Operation "Bilizna" took place on the

17    7th November 1992.  The Muslims recaptured Mount Bilizna that overlooked

18    Zavidovici. The Serb forces had been entrenched on this mountain, from

19    where they shelled the town, day and night.  Due to the strategic nature

20    of this mountain, the Serbs fought hard to recapture it, but eventually it

21    was in the hand of the Muslims.  As events progressed, the Serbs continued

22    to shell the Muslim towns and villages, in a barbaric manner, until the

23    Muslim city of Jajce fell to the Serbs, in November 1992, as a result of a

24    clear betrayal by the Croats.

25            Croatia was to sole route of entry into Bosnia. As a result of

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 1    this, the Croats began to provoke the Muslims, in particular the

 2    Mujahedin, passing through their lands.  They stole, looted and pilfered

 3    from the convoys.  Throughout the war, they looted in excess of a hundred

 4    million dollars from the Muslims, in addition to the beatings, torture and

 5    imprisonment.  In spite of this, Mujahedin avoided confrontation with the

 6    Croats, so as to avoid opening new fronts of attack onto themselves and to

 7    maintain the route of entry and exit through Croatia.

 8            On the 29th December 1992, the second Visoko Operation was carried

 9    out, under the command of the Egyptian Abu [inaudible].  The Mujahedin

10    moved from the frontline of Bijelo Bucje, near Travnik, to the mountains.

11    These are the mountains that overlook the city of Ilijas, which is five

12    kilometres away from Sarajevo.  The mountains were liberated, and the

13    Mujahedin continued advancing until they reached some difficult territory.

14      There was then an aerial attack carried out by the Serbs with the use of

15    helicopters.  The fighting continued from the morning until the time of

16    the [inaudible].  The enemy were defeated, vast areas were liberated, and

17    the city of Ilijas nearly fell into the hands of the Mujahedin.  The

18    Bosnian forces were not able to maintain the positions again, and the Arab

19    brothers found themselves deserted in vast areas, so they were forced to

20    withdraw.  A large number of the brothers were injured and seven of the

21    foreign Mujahedin were killed.

22             MR. NEUNER:  We will stop for the technical break.

23             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Yes.  Thank you.

24             We'll reconvene at five to 11.00.

25                            --- Recess taken at 10.26 a.m.

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 1                            --- On resuming at 11.00 a.m.

 2             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.  We will now resume.

 3             The Prosecution may continue with the videos.

 4             MR. NEUNER:  The broadcasting continues.

 5                          [Videotape played]

 6            THE NARRATOR: [In English] He was a student of knowledge who

 7    graduated from the Islamic University of Medine [phoen].  He preferred

 8    martyrdom in Allah's sake, to the certificate of this world and its false

 9    position.  He left his studies to carry out the Jihad in the lands of the

10    Balkans, to implement what he had learned.  He was the commander of the

11    Arabs, in the Second Visoko Operation, due to his good manners and

12    character, and good dealings with the brothers, and his knowledge of the

13    Shariah.  One of the brothers recalled the events surrounding Abu Talha's

14    death.

15                          [Arabic spoken]

16            THE NARRATOR: [In English] Abu Mahmood of Palestine personified

17    the saying of the hope: "I will sacrifice my soul, I will throw myself for

18    towards death.  There is either the noble life which pleases others, or a

19    death which puts fear into the enemies."

20            Abu Mahmood of Palestine was studying medicine in France.  Then

21    Allah willed for him to become a practising muslim.  So he left France

22    with his French friend Abu [inaudible] in order to wage Jihad in Bosnia.

23    After two months of his stay in Bosnia, he decided to return to France.

24    He stayed in Zenica for two days, awaiting the time of departure, but

25    Allah had chosen a different journey for him, to the everlasting paradise

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 1    of palaces and beautiful maidens.  The Algerian brother Abu Muhaijir tells

 2    us how Abu Mahmood was killed.

 3                          [Arabic spoken]

 4            THE NARRATOR: [In English] After the one has tasted the sweetness

 5    of Jihad, he cannot take pleasure in the worldly life.  There we have Abu

 6    Maryam al Afghani, who lived in Germany with his German wife, calling

 7    people to Islam.  There he led a good life with all its comfort, but there

 8    is a difference between the one who has devoted to worldly life and the

 9    one who has embraced it.

10            Abu Maryam, the Afghani, had previously participated in the Afghan

11    Jihad, and in Germany he was extensively involved in dau [phoen] programs,

12    calling people to Allah.  When Abu Maryam, decided to return to Jihad, his

13    parents stood in the way.  So his wife spoke with his parents, convincing

14    them about the importance of his going to the Jihad in Bosnia.  This

15    reminds us of some of the wives, of the noble companions of the Prophets

16    of Allah, [inaudible], who encouraged their husbands to go for Jihad.  So

17    Abu Maryam travelled to Bosnia, together with his best friend and

18    companion Abu Hudaifah al Afghani, who was also his work colleague.

19    [inaudible] bestowed the two of them with acts in his obedience,

20    reputation of the Koran, beautiful characters and eagerness in the service

21    of their fellow Mujahedins.  Abu Maryam used to clean the toilets and

22    washed the dishes at times of extreme cold.  His guarding of the front

23    line, was a preparation for the Second Visoko Operation.  And so Abu

24    Hudaifah, asked the permission of his commander, to participate in this

25    operation, with Abu Maryam.  And in the beginning of the operation Abu

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 1    Maryam was killed.  It was only a few moments later that his brother, Abu

 2    Hudaifah joined him.

 3            How many are the people that seek fame and wealth today.  And what

 4    of someone who has left all that in pursue of Allah's pleasure.

 5    Abul-Harith was a famous football player in Bahrain.  A lot of the youth

 6    today yearn to attain his level of playing.  He left his football career

 7    behind him and left for Afghanistan to take part in the Jihad, seeking to

 8    die in the path of Allah.  He then went to participate in the Jihad in

 9    Bosnia.  He had devoted his heart and his soul for the worship of Allah,

10    and he set a good example with his manners and manhood.  He was always

11    seen reading the Koran, serving his brothers, and guarding the frontline.

12    He was characterised by a smile that never left his face and a level of

13    patience such that he never became angry at his brothers.  He personified

14    the saying of the Prophets of Allah:  "A smile to your brother is a form

15    of charity."  A few days before the operation, Abul-Harith was seen to

16    take great care of himself and he wore his best clothes, as if he knew

17    that he had an appointment with the beautiful women of Paradise.  When the

18    battle had reached its most intense stage and the souls of the martyrs had

19    been raised, Abul-Harith found Abu Maryam spread on the ground, his soul

20    had been raised.  He kissed him and said:  "Oh, Allah, join us with him.

21    He advanced towards the enemy from an area providing little cover, and

22    while he was crawling on the ground, he was hit by a sniper bullet and he

23    surrendered his soul to his Lord.

24            The land of the Ottoman has not left out from sending volunteers

25    from its youth to participate in the Jihad for Allah's sake.  This

Page 8531

 1    response from the Turks was to be expected, since Turkey was the capital

 2    of the last Islamic Palace.

 3            Imraan from Turkey went to Bosnia to fight the enemies of Allah.

 4    He was 27 years old, of Turkish origin, and was living in America.  He

 5    undertook the necessary military training, and after two months, he had

 6    the intention to return to America with a young orphan child who he wanted

 7    to adopt.  He stayed with his Palestinian brother Abu Muhammad [phoen] in

 8    Zenica, awaiting his time of departure when news of the high alert

 9    situation reached him, and he preferred to stay than to travel, and he

10    answered the call, so that he could meet his Lord and be free from the

11    suffering and the pressures of this world, and to be free of living

12    amongst the disbelievers in America.

13            At the beginning of 1993, Sheikh Abu Abdel Aziz was forced to

14    leave Bosnia to explain the situation to the scholars and to collect

15    donations to assist in the Mujahedin.  The leadership of the Mujahedin was

16    handed over to Wahiudeen, the Egyptian.  After Abu Abdel Aziz's departure,

17    the Croats cut the routes used by the Muslims and those used particularly

18    by the Mujahedin.  They captured numerous Mujahedin who had ventured into

19    hostile territory.  From amongst those captured were:  Abu Maiz and Abu

20    Ali the Kuwaiti.  They also killed Abu Sahar, may Allah have Mercy on him,

21    and threw his body onto the roadside.

22            This was the last straw, and the Mujahedin then began preparing a

23    plotting to confront the Croats, the enemies of Allah.  Mujahedin split

24    themselves into three groups.  The first group was in the village of

25    Mehuric and responsibility was to carry out provocative measures against

Page 8532

 1    the Croats, and to monitor the Croatian forces.  The second group was in

 2    Bijelo Bucje, and their task was to occupy the Croats in this area and

 3    attempt to take hostages.   The third group was in Zenica, and their main

 4    function was to kidnap figures from the Croatian leadership.

 5            The brothers met to discuss how to release prisoners held by the

 6    Croats.  The issue was discussed with the Bosnian Muslim forces, but there

 7    was no response.  They also raised the issue with the UN, but they were

 8    not interested, because they are not interested in the affairs of the

 9    Muslims.  [inaudible], the Egyptian, suggested that the only solution was

10    for the group in Zenica to kidnap the leader of the Croatian HVO forces

11    and to exchange him for the Mujahedin held in captivity.  An agreement was

12    made with the Commander of the Muslim forces in Travnik to send a group of

13    his best soldiers tojoin the ranks of the Muhahedin to train them to carry

14    out special operations. [inaudible] needed a special camp for this

15    objective, so a new stage of rigorous training commenced, with particular

16    attention being paid to matters relating to the sound and correct

17    understanding of fighting in the path of Allah.

18            After the completion of the training and gathering of information

19    and necessary preparation, the Mujahedin were divided into groups.  The

20    first group kidnapped four Croat intelligence officers in Novi Travnik.

21    The second group kidnapped the vice-commander of the Croat forces in

22    Bosnia, along with six Croat soldiers.

23            The news of the kidnaps spread quickly, and the disbelieving

24    United Nations began to search for the kidnappers. They blockaded the

25    roads and began to search everywhere.  This meant that the brothers had to

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 1    remain and hide in the forests, despite the snow, the intense cold, and

 2    the loss of communication with the Command Centre in Mehuric.  The plight

 3    of the Mujahedin prisoners did not concern the UN, clearly illustrating

 4    their hypocrisy.  The UN accused the Mujahedin of being terrorists and war

 5    criminals.  The command then came from the Bosnian army to release the

 6    Croatian prisoners, but it was not obeyed.

 7            The next day, whilst the Commander of the Croatian forces was

 8    driving to work in Zenica, the Mujahedin blocked off his route from the

 9    front, and behind him, with the objective of taking him and those with him

10    as prisoners.  But his personal bodyguards started firing at the

11    Mujahedin.  The Mujahedin sprayed the car with gunfire killing everyone

12    inside with the exception of one person, and here Allah's Will was

13    demonstrated, in that the Croat Commander remained alive, and what was

14    written by Allah happened.

15            During this period, brothers gathered to debate and discuss the

16    recent events and, Wahiudeen, may Allah have Mercy upon him, handed over

17    the leadership to Dr. Abul Harith, from Libya, due to him having the

18    necessary qualifications and the characteristics for this role.  This gave

19    Wahiudeen more time to concentrate on military affairs.  Abul Harith took

20    over the leadership of the Mujahedin in Zenica.

21            Dr. Abul Harith approached the Muslim forces and asked them to

22    inform the world of the kidnap operation, but they failed to do anything.

23    Abul Harith then approached the UN forces present in Zenica.  There was a

24    great uproar, and the disbelieving United Nations moved quickly now

25    attaching high priority to this issue.

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 1            Negotiations then took place, concerning the prisoner exchange,

 2    under the supervision of Wahiudeen, and [inaudible], in the rank of the

 3    Mujahedin.  In May of 1993, the prisoner exchange took place.  It was a

 4    historical event, which will never be forgotten, and the brothers being

 5    released from the Croatian prisons, and their feet touching the land of

 6    the Jihad once again.  The brothers prostrated to Allah, upon their

 7    release, thanking Allah.

 8                          [Arabic spoken]

 9            THE NARRATOR: [In English] After the prisoner exchange, the Croats

10    declared open war against the Muslims in Bosnia, and in particular, the

11    Mujahedin.  They took control of the mountains in the Mehuric area and

12    blocked off the main roads under their control, such as the Zenica-Travnik

13    road.  They were preparing to capture the towns of Zenica and Travnik, to

14    surround the Mujahedin.

15            This period was one of the most difficult periods for the

16    Mujahedin in the war, with loss of communications between the groups in

17    Mehuric, Zenica, and Travnik.  This led to the Mujahedin not receiving any

18    news or help.  It therefore became necessary to open a new route into

19    Travnik, and the Mujahedin attacked and captured the Croatian village of

20    Miletici near Mehuric killing all the fighters and taking women and

21    children as prisoners, to be handed to the Bosnian army.  They also blew

22    up the bridges connecting the Croatian villages to each other in order to

23    isolate them as preparation before the capture of the village of Guca

24    Gora, which is the historically significant village to the Croats.  This

25    is due to the presence of a large church in Guca Gora where delegations

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 1    used to come from all over Europe, take part in wild parties, and offered

 2    the Croatians monetary assistance in their fight against the Muslims.

 3            The Guca Gora operation was one of the first signs of victory from

 4    Allah to the Mujahedin who had remained patient during this period of

 5    being surrounded.  The village was captured and vast areas fell into the

 6    control of the Mujahedin, after opening the road from Zenica to Travnik.

 7    The Mujahedin also took a lot of war booty, capturing two heavy

 8    120-millimetre mortars.  This was the first time the Mujahedin had gained

 9    access to this sort of weapon.  They also captured a lot of ammunition.

10            After capturing Guca Gora, the Mujahedin advanced to capture a

11    fortified mountainous area, under the leadership of Usama [inaudible], may

12    Allah have Mercy on him, in order to capture the town of Vitez.  The

13    Croats were encamped, in their trenches behind these mountains.  They

14    fired at the Muslims, in a fearsome manner, leading to a large number of

15    the Mujahedin getting injured, forcing the Mujahedin to withdraw, in order

16    to limit their losses.  Jamaludeen, from Yemen, and Muhammad the Turk,

17    were killed, may Allah accept them from the martyrs.

18            The messenger of Allah [inaudible] say: "Paradise has one hundred

19    graves, which Allah had reserved for the Mujahedin who fight for His

20    cause, and the distance between each of the two graves, is like the

21    distance between the Heaven and the earth."

22            The land of Yemen sent some of its precious sons to perform Jihad

23    for the sake of Allah.  The lands of Jihad, Afghanistan and Kashmir, saw

24    many martyrs, originating from Yemen.  Today we have, a [inaudible]

25    Jamaludeen, a young man who was not more than 20 years old, who had dreamt

Page 8537

 1    of the [inaudible] and Paradise, whilst he was in Afghanistan.  Allah

 2    willed for him to travel to the land of Jihad in Bosnia, to achieve his

 3    mission. Abu Uthman the Kuwaiti, speaks to us about Jamaludeen's dream.

 4                          [Arabic spoken]

 5                MR. NEUNER:  The CD-ROM has just expired.  We are changing it

 6    to the next CD-ROM because the tape was so long.

 7                          [Videotape played]

 8                          [Arabic spoken]

 9            THE NARRATOR: [In English] Muhham the Turk was a man who had been

10    given strength by Allah, yet he was of gentle heart.  He was easy and

11    gentle amongst his brothers, yet harsh and severe against the enemies of

12    Allah.  He was from the first few people to attack the Croatian positions

13    in the Guca Gora Operation.  He killed six Croats and then joined his

14    brothers in surrounding the Croats, who had taken refuge in the church.

15    During the stand off, he was responsible for providing cover to the

16    brothers, along with Jamaludeen, using the dashaka [phoen] machine-gun.  A

17    mortar bomb landed close to them, may Allah have Mercy upon them both.

18            The Mujahedin leadership got together to establish the reasons for

19    the defeats and the withdrawals.  They found that the main reason was the

20    lack of correct and sound Islamic belief amongst the members of the

21    Bosnian army.  In addition to this, there were traitors amongst the ranks

22    of the army, a lack of good military planning and chaotic organisation,

23    during the operations.  The Shura Council for the Mujahedin decided to

24    stop taking part with the army in any of the military operations until the

25    Mujahedin were recognised as an independent battalion within the Bosnian

Page 8538

 1    army.

 2            The Bosnian army acknowledged the role that the Mujahedin had

 3    played so far and their need for men of this kind.  Therefore the Bosnian

 4    army leadership agreed to their request and recognised the Mujahedin

 5    Battalion as a part of the Bosnian army, over which the banner of

 6    [inaudible] could be raised.  This gave them the ability to choose their

 7    soldiers based on the Islamic Sharia.

 8            Thus began a new stage in the war with an increasing

 9    responsibility and a need for planning and organisation.  The Head Office

10    for the Battalion was in Zenica.  The training camp was [inaudible]

11    training camp, in the village of Mehuric.  The leader of the battalion was

12    Abul-Harith, the Libyan, may Allah have Mercy upon him, and the military

13    commander was Wahiudeen, may Allah have Mercy upon him.  From this point,

14    the Mujahedin launched their first operation after the recognition of

15    their battalion.

16            This operation occurred in the summer of 1993 under the leadership

17    of [inaudible], in the mountains surrounding the town of Vitez, which is

18    inhabited by the Croats, and is close to the town of Novi Travnik.  The

19    loss of [inaudible] enabled the Mujahedin to capture this area, and they

20    killed approximately forty Croats.  From the Mujahedin, Abu Ali the

21    Kuwaiti, and the Bosnian brother, Hamdu [phoen], were killed.

22                          [Arabic spoken]

23    THE NARRATOR: [In English] The current state of affairs in the army in

24    power in the Muslim countries is one of subservience, to oppressive puppet

25    regimes, manufactured by the disbelieving west, in compete contradiction

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 1    to the Sharia, Allah [inaudible].  Thousands of soldiers and the wide

 2    array of advanced military technology and hardware, on which millions of

 3    dollars have been spent, have been reserved for military displays and, the

 4    official state's receptions, for the leaders of these countries.  This

 5    military power is not used to maintain the honour and the dignity of the

 6    Muslims, nor is it used to defend the Muslim lands.  Instead, we see these

 7    countries arguing amongst each other and directing their forces against

 8    each other.  These forces should be directed against the enemies of Allah,

 9    such as the Jews and their supporters. The good people are those who are

10    aware of these regimes and are aware of their corruption, and that the

11    regimes are not established on Allah's Sharia.  Such regimes have declared

12    enmity to them, in order that they may proceed on the path of Allah.  This

13    is illustrated to us by the example of Abu Ali, a Kuwaiti who was an

14    officer in the Kuwaiti army.  He was sent to France as a part of a

15    military delegation to receive training in artillery.  On his return,

16    Allah opened his eyes and his ears to what he had heard from Abu

17    Abdul-Azeez who was calling and urging the youth, to go to the Jihad in

18    Bosnia.  He left his post in the armed forces, his wife, and his children,

19    and he answered the call.

20            After joining the Mujahedins, he began a new part in his life, the

21    life of a Mujahedin.  He was very obedient and attentive, modest and

22    helpful to his brothers, always eager to solve their problems.  The

23    Kuwaiti army had called him back several times, and warned him that they

24    may fire him.  He refused to return.  How could he return once he had

25    tasted the pleasures of Jihad, and the defence of the front line.  He was

Page 8541

 1    aware of the saying of the Prophets of Allah [inaudible]:  "One hour spent

 2    in the path of Allah is better than performing night prayer, in

 3    [inaudible], at the Black stone of the [inaudible]."

 4                          [Arabic spoken]

 5    THE NARRATOR: [In English] After the first Vitez operation, preparation

 6    was undertaken for the Croshitsa Operation.  This attack was aimed at the

 7    western side of Vitez, in the vicinity of an explosives factory.  It was

 8    carried out under the command of Wahiudeen.  The Croats were defeated, and

 9    the Mujahedin were forced to stay in the area for the whole day.  Due to

10    the failure of the Bosnian army, the Mujahedin were forced to withdraw,

11    and [inaudible] received a serious injury, whilst the Bosnian brother

12    Ahmed was killed.

13            THE INTERPRETER: [Voiceover] We're going to talk about the Shehids

14    now.  I remember Emir Potrapaca ,when he came to our unit.  He was a young

15    man, not more than 18 years old.  He was a very peaceful, calm brother,

16    who showed a lot of wisdom, always mentioning Allah's name.  He fasted a

17    lot, and always had a smile on his face.  He made available everything he

18    had for the assistance of the Jihad and the Mujahedin.  He took the path

19    of Jihad, following the way of [inaudible] Aziz. He arrived in Bosnia, at

20    an early stage, and inflicted large losses on the enemies of Allah, in the

21    numerous battles in which he participated, until his time came, and he was

22    killed by the Croats, may Allah have Mercy on him.

23                          [Arabic spoken]

24    THE NARRATOR: [In English] The Land of Jihad are most in need of those

25    people of knowledge, who belief in implementing, what they have learned.

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 1    Abu Abdur-Rahman, from Egypt, was in his thirties, and a student of the

 2    Islamic University in Medinah. He came to the Land of Jihad, early in the

 3    conflict, answering the cause.  He participated in fighting the Crusaders,

 4    and was injured in Operation [inaudible].  He was from amongst the special

 5    group that carried out the kidnapping of a leader of the Croatian forces.

 6    He married in the Land of Jihad.  He had not been married for more than

 7    eight months, and he was killed, shouting "Allahu Akhbar, Allahu Akhbar",

 8    and firing his machine gun upon [inaudible].

 9            A member of Qatar national handball team, Abu Khalid, a Qatary,

10    abandoned his world and came to Bosnia to fight in the path of Allah.  He

11    was known for his bravery and for his severity in dealing with the enemy

12    of Allah.  He showed great courage during Operation Croshitsa.  He used

13    his PK machine-gun to fire at the enemy until they received orders to

14    withdraw.  He continued preparing himself and defending the frontline

15    until Allah chose him for the patience that he had shown, awaiting his

16    reward from Allah. Abu Khalid El Qatary, once said:  "I bought some

17    clothes for which to go to Afghanistan, but my mother prevented me from

18    going to Afghanistan, but insha-Allah, with these same clothes I will soon

19    be killed in Bosnia.  He was killed whilst firing on the Croats, along

20    with Wahiudeen, the Egyptian, and his brothers, may Allah have Mercy upon

21    them all.

22                          [Arabic spoken]

23    THE NARRATOR: [In English] The man who bears the responsibility of his

24    religion and strives [inaudible].  They are unique example, selling their

25    precious soul, to make Allah's work high and so that the religion

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 1    everywhere, is only for Allah. The Land of Jihad throughout the world,

 2    have given us men of this nature, who've reached the top of their

 3    sacrifices in Jihad, for the sake of Islam, and who gave their blood in

 4    this path.

 5            Wahiudeen, the Egyptian, is an example of such men. Despite his

 6    relatively young age, he was able to accept the responsibility.

 7            Practising what you have learnt and sacrificing in the path of

 8    Allah, change personalities and creates unique types of individuals.

 9            This should not be surprising for us, since Osama Bin [inaudible]

10    May Allah be pleased with him, was Commander of the Muslim army, when he

11    was 18 years old, and companion of the Prophets of Allah, [inaudible], of

12    the light of [inaudible], may Allah be pleased with him, were under his

13    command.

14            Allah helped the servants, according to the love of sacrifices for

15    Islam, to make them the best of people.

16            Wahiudeen was born in Southern Egypt, and he died in the land of

17    Bosnia.  He memorised the Koran from a young age, leading to a maturity in

18    thinking.  He was brought up amongst the children of the Islamic Movement

19    in Egypt, and he became aware of the Islamic issues around the world.  His

20    thinking became occupied with their problems, and he always used to wonder

21    how the Islamic caliphate could return to the Muslims. Wahiudeen then knew

22    that it was necessary to go to Afghanistan, to achieve this ambition.

23    There he joined a training camp.  He began to prepare himself, and to

24    train as hard as he could, learning how to use different types of weapons,

25    and improving his physical fitness, with the Koran never leaving his side

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 1    in this period.  Wahiudeen showed excellence early on, which led to his

 2    trainer Al Bahari [phoen] taking notice of this young man.  He began to

 3    concentrate on him in the training sessions, as if he was preparing him to

 4    fulfil the needs of the Muslims, for a man of his example.  Having

 5    completed his training, he was then chosen to train the new brothers and

 6    he had outstanding achievements in fulfilling his task.  He continued to

 7    work in the path of Allah, seeking martyrdom, following the news of the

 8    battles, moving towards the front lines, and experiencing intense

 9    fighting, in order to gain Allah's protection from the [inaudible].  He

10    moved between the mountains and valleys of Afghanistan, participating in

11    numerous operations, which implanted in him a desire to be a good soldier,

12    and develop his Islamic leadership qualities.  He was a cheerful person,

13    well mannered, military minded, and mindful of his duties to Allah

14    [inaudible], in terms of his acts of worship.

15            When the Bosnian situation arose, Sheikh Anwar Sha'baan met with

16    leading personalities from the Afghan Jihad, and they agreed to the

17    importance of ensuring that men such as Wahiudeen, Mutazu Billah, and

18    Husaamudeen went to Bosnia to initiate the Jihad efforts there.  Wahiudeen

19    met Sheikh Abu Abdul Aziz in Bosnia.  Abu Abdul Aziz gave Wahiudeen

20    responsibility for the military operations of the Mujahedin, due to what

21    was known of his ability and experience in this field.  He began to think

22    about how to undertake and carry out the Jihad in Bosnia, through an

23    organisation controlled by the Sharia, and by the fact that he was one of

24    those holding a position of responsibility in the Mujahedin Battalion. He

25    married in Bosnia, and he was killed by the Croats before seeing his

Page 8546

 1    daughter, who is now five years old.  We send out greetings to you

 2    Wahiudeen, we ask Allah to unite us to the Prophets, the martyrs, the

 3    truthful people, and the [inaudible] People, what a beautiful friendship

 4    that is.

 5                          [Arabic spoken]

 6            BBC WORLD NEWSCASTER:  The current unrest is in an area near the

 7    Chechen border, which has been seized by estimated 1500 militants.

 8             MR. NEUNER:  The tape is finished.

 9             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.  Before I give the

10    floor to Defence, I will briefly summarise what the Judges have seen and

11    the conclusions they have been able to draw.

12             First of all, as far as the dates are concerned, Mr. Bourgon said

13    that there were two dates that we could see very briefly.  He said -- he

14    mentioned the 27th of May and the 15th of December, 1995.  But there were

15    other dates that appeared:  The 5th of December, 1993, which appeared when

16    there was an operation near Novi Travnik; and there was also a date which

17    corresponds to the second operation in Vitez.  We can also see that there

18    was another date, in that at a certain point in time it was said that the

19    daughter of the Mujahedin commander, the Egyptian Wahiudeen, was five

20    years old.  As this person died in 1993, if that's five years, that takes

21    us to 1998, and in the video we can see the little girl who's five years

22    old.  So perhaps the year 1998 is the year in which this video was made.

23             The quality of the video is good and it is in colour.  As to who

24    made the video, we can see a logo in Arabic, which appears to the right,

25    and this video is usually either in the Arabic language or in English, so

Page 8547

 1    the purpose of the video was to be broadcast to an international audience.

 2             And at the end of the video, we noted that the title of the video

 3    was indicated.  The title was "The martyrs of Bosnia."  But it

 4    said "Part 1," so there is certainly a second part that should be the

 5    sequence, because the title of this video was "The martyrs of Bosnia,

 6    Part 1," so it should be followed by a second part.

 7             We also noticed that there is a juxtaposition of various

 8    sequences, either of combat sequences, of sequences showing training, and

 9    there were also sequences, scenes that were filmed apparently in

10    Afghanistan.  In addition, there are images that come from various

11    sources, international sources such as the UN, international meetings, and

12    from other sources.  Much of the video portrays the Mujahedin's combat,

13    and they've been described as martyrs.  At the end we see the names of the

14    martyrs, and there were about 30 of them.

15            These martyrs - that's how they were described in the video - we

16    see them, either photographs of them or videos, we can see their burials,

17    because they were killed in combat.  We also sometimes see them in combat

18    sequences.  Abu Khalid El Qatari can be seen in combat, and we can also

19    see some of them who were -- or most of them who were killed in combat.

20    And there are two specific things that appear; either the body shows

21    traces of multiple wounds, which could be the result of explosions, or we

22    can see bodies with traces of gunshot wounds.

23             We can also see that the testimony of the friends of these

24    martyrs, of these combatants, usually states that they were killed by

25    snipers.  In addition, we should point out that one of the martyrs,

Page 8548

 1    Abul-Harith, from Kuwait, seems to be involved in the exchange of Totic

 2    for the Mujahedin combatants, because we see him appear during this

 3    exchange, and afterwards there is a scene which shows him after he was

 4    killed.

 5             In addition, the video depicts events that relate to Miletici,

 6    and in Guca Gora we can see soldiers in the interior of the Guca Gora

 7    church.  We could also see that there was some damage to the interior of

 8    the church but it wasn't extensive damage.  So this is what we could say

 9    about Guca Gora.

10             There is also a scene depicting training in Mehurici, since we're

11    able to see the Mujahedin in this training camp in Mehurici.  There was

12    also a scene involving the exchange -- or depicting the exchange of Totic

13    in Zenica for other combatants, and we saw a lot -- there was a lot more

14    information than the information we saw in the photographs produced by the

15    Defence, and one could draw the conclusion that there was much more

16    information.

17             There was also a report on a Mujahedin training camp on Mount

18    Igman, and towards the end - and this also concerns the holy war - there

19    were certain presentations or interviews involving a number of religious

20    leaders, well-known individuals, such as the Sheikh Rahman, the Egyptian,

21    Sheikh Madani from Algeria, or Sheikh Yaseen, from Palestine.

22             So very briefly, this would be a summary of what we were able to

23    see.  But the Defence will also inform us of what they have to say.

24             Mr. Bourgon.

25             MR. BOURGON: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. President.

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 1             I don't want to take too much time to make comments which are

 2    divided into three parts but refer to three different sources.

 3             First of all, where the video was obtained from; how it was

 4    conserved, how it was preserved; and also, there is the question of the

 5    reliability of the video.  I'll divide my comments into two parts.

 6             First of all, I will deal with the images and then the text, or

 7    the part narrated by the narrator.

 8             First of all, as far as the images are concerned, Mr. President,

 9    in the video in its totality no individuals and no one -- they're not

10    included in the evidence in this case, unless it has to do with certain

11    international persons, and there are no links to the indictment in this

12    case, or if it's not a matter of Mr. Totic.

13             When we see the photographs and the names of the people in the

14    photographs who were mentioned in the video, we don't know whether the

15    person that we see in fact bears the name mentioned in this video, the

16    name that's supposed to correspond to the image.  To be more specific, as

17    far as the scene concerning the exchange in Zenica is concerned, we could

18    recognise Commander Totic.  We were able to see a certain link between the

19    images shown and the photographs presented by the Defence, and the Trial

20    Chamber has pointed this out.  We have perhaps certain information about

21    the date when this scene was made, and this is probably the reason for

22    which the Prosecution wanted to present this scene and the Defence made a

23    submission and didn't object to having this precise scene, this specific

24    scene being admitted into evidence.

25             As far as the other images that we could see are concerned, we

Page 8551

 1    don't know any of the places, apart from the place involved in the Totic

 2    exchange and the Guca Gora monastery.  And again -- yet again,

 3    Mr. President, when speaking about the Guca Gora monastery, the

 4    photographs taken in the interior -- were taken in the interior of this

 5    monastery, or perhaps in some other monastery, but we really do not know

 6    who the individuals in this monastery or in this other building, we do not

 7    know [as interpreted].  And the faces were distorted by those who made the

 8    video.  We do not know when these images were shot.  That's the most

 9    important thing.  And what we have heard in the course of these

10    proceedings to date is that there were events in Guca Gora on the 9th and

11    10th of June.  And it seems that there were Croats who had taken refuge in

12    the monastery.  We know, according to the evidence we have had, that there

13    was no damage to the interior, and in the testimony of Kent-Payne and

14    Bower, we know that there was -- that at an earlier date, which wasn't

15    specified, there was a group of Mujahedin near the monastery.  But on the

16    basis of the images we have seen, we can't create a link between what we

17    can see and the evidence that has been presented to date.  Many images

18    weren't shot in Bosnia - at least, that's what -- how it seems - and there

19    are images of soldiers, but we can't determine whether they belong to a

20    particular unit.  The only common denominator seems to be a cry which is

21    in evidence, so it appears that these are soldiers of Muslim origin and

22    they have this cry or exclamation in common.

23             As far as the weapons that we can see, they had a number of

24    weapons.  We don't know which forces possessed these weapons.  We can also

25    see a number of modern weapons, which probably weren't in use in the year

Page 8552

 1    1993.  That's what I wanted to say about the images that we can see,

 2    Mr. President.

 3             As far as the date when the video was made, we don't know when

 4    this took place; although, the Trial Chamber mentioned the daughter of one

 5    of the individuals and mentioned when the daughter was born.  Naturally,

 6    this depends on the reliability of the narrator.

 7             The person who produced the video, who put together these various

 8    sequences, are not known.  The reason for which the video was produced, we

 9    have certain indications about the reason from the narrator, but we don't

10    know whether it's a matter of propaganda, whether it's dedicated to the

11    martyrs, or homage to the martyrs, we don't know whether it's an

12    instrument to recruit Mujahedin.  We know nothing about this.  We don't

13    know who provided the video to the person mentioned by the Prosecution.

14    This person has not testified before the Trial Chamber, the person who

15    worked for the Bureau of the High Representative.  We don't know how this

16    person received the cassette, we don't know when, we don't know who

17    provided the cassette to an investigator from the OTP, who has not

18    testified either, and in a number of images we can see we note that these

19    images come from international television channels and some also seem to

20    be from the region of Bosnia.  This has to do -- these comments have to do

21    with what we saw.  And now I'll talk about what we heard, Mr. President.

22             The people who are speaking in the video are not identified, the

23    people who drafted the text are not identified.  There is often no

24    relation or link between the narration of the events and the persons or

25    the events that we can see in the video.  And if there is a link, we don't

Page 8553

 1    know what the link is, because it's not even a testimony; it's a

 2    commentary, in fact.  So to accept this narrative part of the video,

 3    Mr. President, it's obvious that we would need a witness who would be

 4    cross-examined so that we could check credibility and reliability.

 5             There are certain elements in -- certain elements in the video,

 6    certain events which have been mentioned, but nothing enables us to

 7    establish a relationship, a link between what we saw and what we heard.

 8             For these reasons, Mr. President, we don't think that this video

 9    has any reliability that would allow the Trial Chamber to admit it into

10    evidence, apart from the scene depicting the Totic exchange, and that is

11    already in evidence, and the Defence has no objections to this scene.

12             Thank you, Mr. President.

13             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. Bourgon.

14             I'll now turn to the other Defence team.  Mr. Dixon.

15             MR. DIXON:  Thank you, Your Honours.

16             A few additional comments.  Your Honours, Mr. Bourgon is

17    absolutely correct in making a distinction between the narration on the

18    video and the images that are seen.

19             In respect of the narration, our view is quite clear that it

20    really is a witness statement.  The narrator is giving an account of

21    events and interpretation of events, and one which might be of some

22    interest, but in our view should not be admitted into evidence unless that

23    person was available to be cross-examined by the Defence and to be

24    questioned by Your Honours.

25             In relation to the images themselves, it may be, Your Honours,

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Page 8555

 1    that there are some images that speak for themselves; the picture of

 2    Mr. Totic, for example, who has testified as a witness before Your

 3    Honours, and that -- in that sense the video is self-authenticating for

 4    those particular portions.  But even for -- for some of those, and those

 5    that surround the -- the parts that might seem to be reliable, Your

 6    Honours, we would submit that it is necessary to obtain a witness to

 7    verify what is seen on those videos, and the Prosecution has had an

 8    opportunity to do this certainly in relation to the Totic exchange.  A

 9    number of the international witnesses from the ECMM have attended, and

10    they were at all of those sites where the exchanges took place, and yet

11    these videos were not shown to those witnesses to see whether they could

12    identify the persons involved and whether that was an accurate depiction

13    of what took place on the day.  And in our view, those witnesses should

14    have been used and the fact that they -- they haven't means, in our

15    submission, that those clips cannot be admitted at this stage, save for a

16    witness being called to -- to identify them.

17             Also, as Mr. Bourgon has pointed out, we might be able to

18    recognise the outside of the church at Guca Gora, but unless somebody is

19    able to identify what the church looks like on the inside and what we see

20    is indeed what is happening on the inside - and there may well have been

21    witnesses who could have done that - in our submission, it's not

22    sufficient that the video be introduced as something that speaks for

23    itself, because it might not be an accurate depiction of what occurred or

24    what -- what was indeed the situation at the time.

25             Your Honour, there are also scenes that are clearly not ones that

Page 8556

 1    may in any way speak for themselves.  There was a very good example of

 2    this when General Reinhardt testified, and he was -- he was asked in

 3    cross-examination about certain troops that were identified on a clip in

 4    the video whether he could as a result of looking at the video specify

 5    which were the -- the units involved, and he said that he could not.  And

 6    this was a very good example, in our view, of how when one looked at the

 7    transcript and it mentioned "Muslim forces" in the transcript, what the

 8    narrator was saying, and compared that then with what was on the -- the

 9    video itself, there was no correlation.  The transcript might have

10    said "Muslim forces," but on the video that could be a depiction of troops

11    from any unit, and that was a -- a point that General Reinhardt agreed

12    with.  He said he couldn't exclude the fact that those pictures could be

13    of any particular unit.

14             So those clips, in our view, do not speak for themselves, and we

15    cannot rely upon what the narrator has said to give them any more

16    credence.

17             Likewise with the scenes that are apparently about Mehurici.

18    There's no outside confirmation, in addition to what the narrator has

19    said, which confirms that that is indeed Mehurici and that is a training

20    camp for the Mujahedin and what we see are in fact Mujahedin at Mehurici.

21    It's simply what the -- the narrator has said, but the pictures do not in

22    any way speak for themselves.

23             So even though there might be some parts that appear reliable, in

24    our submission, Your Honours still need to have a witness for those

25    sections and the parts surrounding them, but in addition to that, there --

Page 8557

 1    and this is by far the majority of the video, it doesn't speak for itself

 2    and one cannot rely upon, in our view, the points that are made by the

 3    narrator in order to give the scenes that we see any -- any more

 4    authenticity.

 5            So in our view, our position remains that the video as a whole

 6    should -- should not be admitted, unless witnesses are brought to speak to

 7    particular portions of the video.  And there are, in our submission,

 8    witnesses who could have been brought to do that, allowing the Defence to

 9    cross-examine those witnesses and Your Honours to ask questions, or future

10    witnesses must be called.

11             Thank you, Your Honours.

12             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. Dixon.

13             Would the Prosecution like to take the floor to respond to what

14    the Defence has just said?

15             MR. NEUNER:  Yes, Your Honour.

16             The Prosecution has stated from the outset, from the very

17    beginning, that the source -- the author of this videotape is not known,

18    and yeah, the Prosecution was facing a kind of general problem, and this

19    general problem, if Your Honours allow me to use these terms, is the

20    nature of the beast.  What do I mean with this?  That the Mujahedin

21    organisation as such was using covert methods, was basically trying, what

22    can be seen also on the video, to protect certain people who belonged to

23    this organisation by basically distorting faces and so on.  So there is

24    none of the documents on our exhibit list coming directly from the

25    Mujahedin, we even are not aware whether the Mujahedin have produced

Page 8558

 1    documents, where they went to, and so on and so forth.

 2             This video, in other words, is one of the scale of the rare

 3    exhibits which we could find through our investigations.  We are not in a

 4    position to provide the author of this tape, but in the Prosecution's view

 5    it makes sense that we are -- that we are not in a position to provide

 6    this information because the organisation as such is used to work by these

 7    means and puts an emphasis on -- yeah, not to reveal their identity.  For

 8    example, in the Zenica prisoner exchange, which was shown on the tape, all

 9    of the Mujahedin were wearing basically masks, which just showed the mouth

10    and the two eyes.  So the very methods of this organisation obviously is

11    not to reveal their identity.  And the very reason why this tape was

12    brought forward is that it's, as I pointed out, one of the rare instances

13    where the Prosecution could get hold of a video which is with 113 minutes

14    a long video.  It's not a two-minutes clip which we are talking about,

15    but, rather, we are talking about a lengthy clip, which allows the drawing

16    of inferences and so on.

17             And it also, in the Prosecution's view, shows the understanding

18    of this group.  And if I take this as the basis, the understanding of this

19    group, yes, as the Defence has pointed out, the narrator -- or the

20    narrator's voice and the text which is stated by this voice sometimes does

21    not correspond to the images being shown, but altogether the Prosecution

22    is of the position that, first of all, the narrator tries to give a

23    chronological evolution of the events as they unfolded, and also in

24    several instances, like with the Zenica prisoner exchange, like Guca Gora,

25    the images shown there, and, for example, the Zivko Totic incident, there

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 1    are quite direct relationships between the story brought forward by the

 2    narrator and the images being displayed at the same time.

 3             Your Honours, this is a circumstantial case, and the Prosecution

 4    will try in the remaining time to link certain excerpts which were shown

 5    on this lengthy tape to other documents which we have on our exhibit list

 6    or link to other videotapes, which will be broadcasted in the order of

 7    today or tomorrow, since as I pointed out, the group is basically using

 8    covert methods, the Prosecution sees no other possibility than to do

 9    this.

10             This is for the time being.

11             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

12             We'll have our break now, since it's half past 12.00, and we'll

13    resume at five to 1.00 and we'll have 45 minutes then.

14             You're on your feet because we're having the break now.  Very

15    well.

16                           --- Recess taken at 12.31 p.m.

17                           --- On resuming at 12.59 p.m.

18             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Let's continue.  We have

19    another three-quarters of an hour.  The hearing is resumed, and we're

20    going to have time for the next video.  But before that, Mr. Bourgon.

21             MR. BOURGON: [Interpretation] I'd just like to make some remarks

22    with respect to what my learned colleague of the Prosecution just said,

23    his remarks to the nature of the group, basically using covert or covered

24    methods.  And, Mr. President, the nature of the group, according to the

25    Defence's view, if it is important, must be established by producing a

Page 8561

 1    witness.  He could come in and tell us what the nature of this Mujahedin

 2    group is and the number of experts and people who say they're experts on

 3    the subject could come before the Court and tell us if this is important

 4    enough for the Prosecution, because otherwise, Mr. President, I don't

 5    think we must take an assertion made by the Prosecution that a group was

 6    using covert or covered methods as being that, unless we have somebody to

 7    bear that out.  We had numerous names mentioned, even the name of the

 8    organisation that produced this video and mentioned in the transcript, but

 9    I don't think it was a covert or covered organisation of any kind, so

10    there's no need to make a phantom or spectacle of this group, because

11    there's precise information.  All this can be presented through a witness.

12             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. Bourgon.

13             Mr. Dixon.

14             MR. DIXON:  Your Honours, if I could just add on to that as well.

15    My learned friend has said that there are uncertainties regarding the

16    source of this video because that is typical of the way in which the

17    Mujahedin operated.  And admits that is one of the excuses that is

18    offered, and that they wouldn't make the sources of this information known

19    because they don't want that to be public.

20             And yet, if we look at the video itself, it's not as though in

21    the content of -- of that video the persons involved are seeking to keep

22    their identities unknown.  The names of people are mentioned; photographs

23    appear in the video; even the daughter of one of the persons, as Your

24    Honour noted, appeared in the video itself.  So material itself -- there

25    was no attempt by the makers to keep that from the public.  And our

Page 8562

 1    question is whether or not it was possible through the investigations on

 2    the part of the Prosecution to get more information about who produced

 3    this video and what the purpose of the production of the video was as

 4    well.

 5             Thank you, Your Honours.

 6             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Would the Prosecution like to

 7    respond and take the floor again, in view of the observations made by the

 8    Defence?  Would you wish to continue and have us see the next tape?

 9                            [Prosecution counsel confer]

10             MR. NEUNER:  Your Honours, the Prosecution has attempted to

11    identify the originator of this video, but all information available to

12    the Prosecution has been provided so far.

13             Just as a general remark, not necessarily relating to this tape

14    but to also other tapes coming -- or dealing with Mujahedin, sequences on

15    the Mujahedin, some submitters have indicated to us that they don't want

16    to have their identity revealed because they might come under threats.

17    This, however, wasn't the case in relation to this tape.

18             If I may just seize the opportunity and point one -- point to one

19    section, which was screened to this tape, and just point your attention to

20    two or three documents which can corroborate what was said on this tape.

21    If you go to tab number 1 and page 29 of the transcript.  It's about the

22    middle of the page.  It says:  "English voice-over," and then it

23    says:  "The Mujahedin leadership got together to establish the reasons for

24    the defeats and withdrawals."  And then continues:  "Later on" -- with the

25    words, "the Shura council for the Mujahedin decided to stop taking part

Page 8563

 1    with the army in any of the military operations until the Mujahedin were

 2    recognised as an independent battalion within the Bosnian army."

 3             It then goes on:  "The Bosnian army acknowledged the role that

 4    the Mujahedin had played so far and their need for men of this kind.

 5    Therefore, the Bosnian army leadership agreed to their request and

 6    recognised the Mujahedin battalion as a part of the Bosnian army over

 7    which the banner of/inaudible/could be raised."

 8             With three documents which are on the exhibit list we could

 9    quickly try to substantiate what the speaker was referring to or we could

10    even try to find a date for this sequence -- for this event the speaker is

11    talking about.

12             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] It would be best to have a

13    viewing of the next videotape first, I think.

14             MR. NEUNER:  Your Honours want to deal with this at a later

15    stage.  I understand.

16             So we will then go on with the video screening.  The next

17    sequence is relating to the crime site after the abduction of Zivko Totic.

18    It has been shown already to the witness Zivko Totic, and since we are

19    already so advanced in time, I propose to skip this sequence in order to

20    save time, since it has been shown already, and move on to 2.2, which is

21    relating to the video V0002452.  This is a broadcast from TV Vitez

22    breaking news about the announcement of the kidnapping of Zivko Totic.  It

23    dates from the 15th of April, 1993.  The author, as I have said, is

24    TV Vitez.  It was submitted to the ICTY in the Kordic and Cerkez case by

25    the Defence team and was introduced as Defence Exhibit D215/1 and adopted

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 1    in the proceedings by the witness Slavko Pavlovic.  I think it was the

 2    15th of May, 2000.  And for the benefit of the Trial Chamber and the

 3    parties, the transcript, the relevant portion, can be found on pages

 4    18.676 till pages 18.684.

 5             The duration of the excerpt - we don't play the whole tape - is

 6    about four -- is about five minutes.  The tape will be played now.

 7             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.

 8             Nothing from the Defence?  Let's go ahead, then.

 9                          [Videotape played]

10            THE INTERPRETER: [Voiceover] The news.

11            Dear viewers of TV Vitez, good evening.  The most important news

12    is the serious crime that was committed today around 8.00 a.m. in Zenica,

13    when the vehicle in which Mr. Zivko Totic, the commander of the Jure

14    Frencetic Brigade, was driving towards the HVO command in Zenica, was

15    attacked.

16            The commander's escorts, Ivica Vidovic, Anto Zrnic, Marko and

17    Tihomir, were treacherously killed in that attack.  A passer-by, whose

18    identity as yet I know, was also killed.  The commander of the Jure

19    Francetic Brigade was abducted and his whereabouts and fate are unknown.

20            According to the latest information we received, there is no

21    shooting in Zenica, but the situation is very tense.  In connection with

22    this, a special press conference was held today in Busovaca that you could

23    have watched earlier.

24            For all those of you who were not able to see this press

25    conference, we will air it again after the "Slikom na Sliku" telecast.  A

Page 8566

 1    proclamation by the OZCB, Operative Zone for Central Bosnia, was read out

 2    at the conference and we will show it in its entirety during this

 3    newscast.

 4            Extremist Muslim forces, under the command of the 3rd Corps of the

 5    BiH army, led by Enver Hadzihasanovic, have activated plans for murdering

 6    officers and leaders of the HVO in the Operative Zone of Central Bosnia.

 7     Their goals are simple:  Provoke a large-scale conflict between the ABiH

 8    and the HVO, destroy the HVO, and prevent the implementation of the

 9    Vance-Owen Agreement on the organisation of provinces signed in New York.

10     Those calling themselves members of the Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina are

11    burning Croatian flags on the eve of the Easter holidays, threatening

12    Croats, looting, killing Croat officers and carrying out abductions, while

13    at the same time talking about the joint struggle against the Chetniks,

14    only distancing themselves from the perpetrators of crimes.

15            In these difficult times of Croat history, we are calling upon the

16    Croatian people and members of the HVO to resolutely defend our lands and

17    our homes.  We have the ability to vanquish any enemy.  We are denouncing

18    terrorist acts of extremist Muslim forces and in the interests of peace

19    ask that all Mujahedin be expelled from these parts.

20            We have also received public announcement from the HVO

21    Novi Travnik on the occasion of the proclamation of the Democratic Action

22    Party for Novi Travnik and the so-called Free City of Novi Travnik on

23    April the 14th, 1993.

24            The HVO of Novi Travnik issues the following announcement:  In

25    conditions of the deteriorating security situation in the territory of the

Page 8567

 1    Croatian Community of Herceg-Bosna and particularly in Novi Travnik,

 2    caused by the brazen abduction of four HVO members by members of the

 3    Muslim forces, we have again seen the dissemination of malicious and false

 4    information to the public.  First, it is a brazen lie that the abduction

 5    took place in the area under HVO control;  second, it is also a brazen lie

 6    that perpetrators of this crime are not known, because the HVO has

 7    received information that this was done by members of the Muslim forces;

 8    third, it is also a brazen lie that members of the HVO are staging a

 9    demonstration of force in the streets of Novi Travnik and harassing the

10    Muslim population. All of this clearly indicates that the intention was to

11    provoke a conflict in a wider area. The events in other municipalities of

12    the HZ HB support this assertion.  Such manner of disseminating

13    information by leaders of the SDA Novi Travnik party and members of the

14    Muslim forces is irritating the Croatian population and is not conducive

15    to peace and coexistence in these parts, as well as to the implementation

16    of signed agreements of the peace plan.

17            Signed, the President of the Croatian Defence Council of Novi

18    Travnik, Mr. Jozo Sekic.

19            The aggressor was active yesterday and last night on the Travnik

20    front.  There was some fire from infantry arms from 6.00 a.m. to 1.00 p.m.

21    along the defence lines.  At 3.00 p.m. a recoilless gun and mortars opened

22    fire on the centre of Turbe. There was no significant activity overnight.

23     In yesterday's aggressor's action, one member of the HVO was lightly

24    wounded. New material damage was caused by yesterday's aggressor's

25    activity.

Page 8568

 1            The 59th Session of the HVO Travnik government was convened

 2    yesterday at 1.00 p.m, chaired by Mr. Zeljko Pervan. At the beginning of

 3    the session, minutes of previous meetings were adopted.  Then the report

 4    on reasons for vacating the Prahulje warehouse by the UNHCR was discussed,

 5    along with group and individual responsibility on this matter.

 6             MR. NEUNER:  This was the excerpt.

 7             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.  We saw a

 8    five-minute excerpt, and there were two announcers.  They were reading

 9    apparently text that had been prepared in advance of the news relating to

10    the abduction of Mr. Totic, the commander of the HVO.

11             We do not know in viewing this excerpt whether the two announcers

12    were sitting next to each other or perhaps there were other sequences of

13    broadcasts that were made at the time.  So as there were two journalists,

14    when there are two journalists, we can see them sitting next to each

15    other, but here we see the announcers one following the other.  So this is

16    a juxtaposition of information given and presented at the time, during

17    that time.

18             When we heard the first announcer, she spoke about the abduction

19    without giving any specific details.  The second lady announcer directly

20    mentioned the part played by the Bosnia-Herzegovina army, the ABiH, and

21    the first announcer that comes back to us later on, succeeding the second,

22    goes back to that issue and follows on from what the second announcer was

23    saying.  The second announcer then once again speaks about the

24    proclamation of the HVO of Novi Travnik, which seems to be less linked to

25    the abduction of Mr. Totic.

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 1             So that is what we were able to see during those five minutes.

 2             Mr. Bourgon.

 3             MR. BOURGON: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. President.

 4             Just rapidly concerning that excerpt, the video.  The first

 5    commentary is this:  My learned friends of the Prosecution told the

 6    Chamber the numbers of the pages in the Kordic trial, the transcript

 7    numbers, where it seems that this video was presented by one of the

 8    Defence teams.  I have taken note that the transcript in the

 9    [indiscernible] does not make up part of the evidence that we ourselves

10    had admitted during this present trial, so those pages are not part of our

11    own exhibits.

12             As far as the video itself is concerned, we took note of the fact

13    that the people on our screens, the ladies on our screens, read prepared

14    texts, and it seems that the authors are known, but once again we have no

15    witness coming in to authenticate this fact; that is to say, that the news

16    reports were broadcast by the Vitez radio stations.  And I think that a

17    number of witnesses could have come in to say, "Yes, that was indeed a

18    broadcast that was televised," but we have had no such witnesses come

19    forward.  So it was a news broadcast by Television Vitez and officially

20    televised.  Thank you, Mr. President.

21             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation]  Mr. Dixon.

22             MR. DIXON:  Thank you, Your Honours.  I have nothing further to

23    add to what Mr. Bourgon has said and the comments that have been made by

24    Your Honours.

25             Thank you.

Page 8571

 1             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Would the Prosecution like to

 2    respond and address the issues brought up by the Defence?

 3             MR. NEUNER:  Just briefly, Your Honours.

 4             We have accessed the transcript excerpt just referred to, and if

 5    I may summarise briefly.  Slavko Pavlovic stated that basically he had

 6    seen this sequence or he had -- yeah, seen and heard this sequence and --

 7    on the day when it was announced.  He said it was broadcast twice:  In the

 8    morning, and at 7.00 p.m. in the evening in a show - if I pronounce this

 9    correctly - "Slikom na Sliko."  And this sequence was just shown to

10    demonstrate the so-to-speak knowledge or propaganda of the other side

11    after Zivko Totic was abducted.

12             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

13             Mr. Bourgon.

14             MR. BOURGON: [Interpretation] Mr. President, I would just like to

15    draw the attention of the Chamber to the fact that that is precisely the

16    objective of our comments; that is to say, that what our colleague has

17    just told us cannot be taken as being testimony by a member of the

18    Prosecution.  We either have to have the witness before the Trial Chamber

19    or we have to ask for admissibility of part of the Kordic proceedings

20    pursuant to Rule 92 bis (D).  Otherwise, we cannot have the Prosecution

21    provide us with this information.

22             Now, the videotapes that we have been viewing since yesterday and

23    that we're still viewing have been around for many years and mostly the

24    objections that we make have to do with the way in which the evidence has

25    been presented.  There is a method and procedure to be applied, and it is

Page 8572

 1    our task as Defence counsels that when that procedure is not followed,

 2    that we should take a note of that and say that there are shortcomings in

 3    the procedure of presenting this kind of evidence.  So we don't wish to be

 4    any impediment to showing this evidence but just that the procedure be

 5    respected and applied as it should be.

 6             Thank you, Mr. President.

 7             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.  Let's move on to

 8    the next tape now, please.

 9             MR. NEUNER:  The next tape is drawn from the ERN number V0002401

10    and the exact date is at sometime between the 15th of April, 1993 and the

11    17th of May, 1993, which is the time period in which the witness Zivko

12    Totic was abducted and exchanged.

13             The tape itself contains a message which was broadcasted -- or

14    which was taken from Zivko Totic while he was in detention.

15             In terms of the author -- before I mention the author, I would

16    like to go into closed session, Your Honours.

17             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Closed session, Mr. Registrar,

18    please, or private session, rather.

19                            [Private session]

20  (redacted)

21  (redacted)

22  (redacted)

23  (redacted)

24  (redacted)

25  (redacted)

Page 8573

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 2  (redacted)

 3  (redacted)

 4  (redacted)

 5  (redacted)

 6  (redacted)

 7  (redacted)

 8  (redacted)

 9  (redacted)

10  (redacted)

11  (redacted)

12  (redacted)

13  (redacted)

14                            [Open session]

15             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] We are in open session.  Let's

16    go ahead with the videotape.

17             MR. NEUNER:  The tape will be played now, and it was already

18    introduced into evidence as P69, but not this excerpt.

19                          [Videotape played]

20            THE INTERPRETER: [Voiceover] I am Zivko Totic, the commander of

21    the HVO's Jure Francetic Brigade from Zenica. On this occasion, I am

22    addressing the public of the town of Zenica and the region to tell the

23    international organisations and the International Red Cross in particular

24    that I am alive and healthy.

25            As it is known, on the 15th of April, 1993, around 0755 hours, on

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 1    my regular route to my job I was abducted, kidnapped by unknown persons in

 2    the village of Podbrijezje.  Two days later I was informed that on that

 3    occasion two escorts and two drivers were killed.  I take this opportunity

 4    to express my condolences to the victims' families.

 5            What I want to say now is that I am particularly addressing the

 6    institution of the Herceg-Bosna's HVO with a request, and at the request

 7    of the International Red Cross, that our exchange be carried out as soon

 8    as possible, fully observing the release of all detained foreign citizens

 9    who have come to Bosnia-Herzegovina to defend it.

10            On this occasion I also want to say that during the abduction or

11    kidnapping I was not wounded but only injured in the head during the

12    transport to the destination, and I do not know the place where I am now

13    and this is my first address from the place unknown to me.

14            I also take this opportunity to send greetings to my family,

15    especially my son, Zarko, and wife, Ljubica, father, Petar and a large

16    number of other members.  I am once again addressing the legal bodies of

17    HVO, the Central Bosnia Operations Zone and all my superiors asking them

18    to review my request once again so that I can return to my family and

19    units as soon as possible.

20            I also want to point out that I wish that this agreement be fully

21    observed so that neither side will fear whether on the next day one will

22    be dead or alive, arrested, kidnapped, abducted or not.  I wish that the

23    alliance be confirmed between Muslims and Croats, who in this bloody war

24    paid the Serbo-Chetnik army's aggression with a lot of suffering.

25             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.  The Chamber takes

Page 8576

 1    note of the fact that the videotape lasts approximately four minutes.  It

 2    is a statement made by Mr. Totic himself, and he was abducted and he is

 3    inviting the HVO authorities to do everything necessary to effect a change

 4    between him and the foreign citizens who were fighting for

 5    Bosnia-Herzegovina.  That was the gist of it.

 6             Does the Defence have any observations to make?  Mr. Bourgon.

 7             MR. BOURGON: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. President.

 8  (redacted)

 9  (redacted)

10  (redacted)

11  (redacted)

12  (redacted)

13  (redacted)

14             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Yes.  Let's go into private

15    session.

16             Mr. Registrar, would you strike the name, do what is necessary to

17    have the name struck from the transcript.

18                            [Private session]

19  (redacted)

20  (redacted)

21  (redacted)

22  (redacted)

23  (redacted)

24  (redacted)

25  (redacted)

Page 8577

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 6  (redacted)

 7  (redacted)

 8  (redacted)

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10  (redacted)

11  (redacted)

12  (redacted)

13  (redacted)

14  (redacted)

15  (redacted)

16  (redacted)

17  (redacted)

18  (redacted)

19  (redacted)

20  (redacted)

21  (redacted)

22  (redacted)

23  (redacted)

24  (redacted)

25  (redacted)

Page 8578

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 2  (redacted)

 3                            [Open session]

 4             THE REGISTRAR: [Interpretation] We're in open session,

 5    Mr. President.

 6             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

 7             MR. NEUNER:  Just in terms of the late screening of this tape.  I

 8    can just mention that certainly it's -- this tape was also prepared at the

 9    time when Mr. Totic was here.  At this point in time, a decision was made

10    not to show it in court, and since then, yeah, this session here was set

11    up to basically produce all the videotapes which are in our possession,

12    and the Prosecution is basically doing this at the time being, and for

13    this reason it is broadcasted now.

14             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Thank you.

15             We have ten minutes left.  Perhaps we won't have the time to see

16    another videotape, unless you have a very short one.  In that case, it

17    would be possible.  If that isn't possible, you could perhaps use the time

18    that we have to inform us of the other videos that we should be viewing

19    tomorrow.

20             I would like to point out that we'll have three hours and 45

21    minutes tomorrow.  So the question is whether we will have enough time

22    tomorrow to view the remaining videotapes, and if so, what procedure will

23    we be following and in what order will the videos be shown?

24             MR. NEUNER:  Your Honours, the next sequence would be 15 minutes

25    in duration, so it is not possible to finish it today.

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 1             There is, with regard to the three other tapes currently on the

 2    list, there is a possibility -- I don't want to say to merge them but to

 3    skip one or two of these small sequences, so that maybe just a lengthy

 4    sequence, the first one, for example, of five minutes, can be shown.  It

 5    is of very bad quality.  For this reason it might be advisable maybe to

 6    have the second sequence also broadcasted, which is just two minutes - so

 7    it's seven minutes - plus the 15 minutes remaining from today.

 8             The Prosecution would be in a position to show two more video

 9    footages:  One relating to destruction - that's the videotape V0002911, a

10    duration of about 30 minutes, but we are looking for ways to downsize

11    this - then there is a second tape.  We have approached the Defence

12    earlier this morning about it; it's the tape V0003971.  It relates to --

13    relates to detention facilities, and basically shows the detention

14    facilities which are subject to the indictment but years after the alleged

15    incidents took place.  Maybe there is the possibility with the Defence to

16    come to an agreement this afternoon whether we should show this or whether

17    we show certain sequences or whether we even fully omit this.  We will

18    talk with the Defence about this.

19             I also mentioned this morning the transcripts from the other

20    proceedings, from the Kordic and Cerkez case and from the Blaskic case.

21    The Prosecution yesterday has basically searched for the records and the

22    transcripts, in both proceedings, to find witnesses and the relevant

23    portions of the transcripts, to find whether the witnesses have said

24    something about the sources, the author, about the time or about the

25    location of these tapes.

Page 8581

 1            The Prosecution has identified two relevant portions of

 2    transcripts, the first relating to the first videotape, which was shown

 3    about the Dusina victims, the first tape V0002450; and the second

 4    transcript portion relating to the fourth video transcript, the video

 5    about Vares.  And the Prosecution believes that these two transcript

 6    excerpts would enlighten the Chamber and the parties, that they are

 7    relevant and is herewith requesting to also introduce them in the current

 8    proceeding.

 9             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.  So there are a

10    number of problems.  First of all, you say that there are two transcripts

11    that were made.  The first cassette concerns Dusina and the second

12    cassette concerns Vares.  You have the relevant transcripts and you would

13    like them to be admitted into evidence, as far as I understand.

14             What is the position of the Defence?  Mr. Bourgon.

15             MR. BOURGON: [Interpretation] Thank you, Mr. President.

16             The two transcripts were provided to us this morning by my

17    colleague from the Prosecution.  Having read the transcripts, we noticed

18    two things:  Firstly, the part selected relates to events about which one

19    should cross-examine the witness in question, because it goes beyond the

20    scope of what we were able to see in the video, so as things stand we

21    object to having this transcript admitted into evidence, since we need to

22    cross-examine the witness.

23             And secondly, Mr. President, we have tried to identify the

24    appropriate portion to save time.  We have tried to select the portion

25    that relates solely to the video.  But, Mr. President, we have come to the

Page 8582

 1    conclusion that the only thing that this witness could do would be to

 2    confirm the identity of Mr. Zvonko Rajic.  But yesterday, Mr. President,

 3    the Defence suggested that one should accept the fact that Mr. Zvonko

 4    Rajic is deceased.  This isn't a matter that is in dispute.  The matters

 5    that are in dispute concerns the nature of the wounds, concerns the site

 6    where he was killed, and concerns the manner of his killing.  The video

 7    does not in any way assist the Chamber to decide anything about the

 8    matters in dispute.  And if we agreed to take a very specific part of the

 9    transcript from the Kordic case, this would not assist the Chamber with

10    regard to the video itself.

11             So for these two reasons, Mr. President, because of the extent of

12    the transcript, the scope of the transcript, and the fact that it wouldn't

13    help us with regard to the video, we believe, Mr. President, that this

14    transcript shouldn't be admitted pursuant to Rule 92 bis and it can in no

15    way help us in relation to the video.

16             My colleague would like to address the matter of the second

17    video, which concerns Vares, since this is something that does not concern

18    the accused whom I represent.

19             Thank you, Mr. President.

20             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Mr. Dixon.

21             MR. DIXON:  Thank you, Mr. President.

22             We would also object on the same grounds as Mr. Bourgon has

23    outlined, in particular in relation to the second witness who was

24    allegedly one of the refugees that fled from Vares.  He was shown the same

25    video of the alleged looting in Vares and he identified this as scenes,

Page 8583

 1    was his words, "scenes from Vares."  But it's not clear from the

 2    transcript, having read it now that, he was actually able to identify any

 3    of the particular images that we saw or any of the particular soldiers who

 4    may have been involved in -- in that action.  So for that reason, we don't

 5    believe he could be of any assistance to Your Honours.

 6             In any event, if he was going to speak to the scenes in the

 7    video, we would -- we would require him to be present in order to

 8    cross-examine him, particularly on who was involved, because that is the

 9    key issue with regard to the alleged looting in Vares.

10             Thank you, Your Honours.

11             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.  The Trial Chamber

12    will inform you of our decision on the transcripts of the Dusina and Vares

13    videos.

14             I'll  address the first point.  You said that as far as

15    tomorrow's hearing was concerned, we'll have a two-minute cassette of poor

16    quality, a 15-minute tape as well, and then there will be a tape on

17    destruction that lasts for about 30 minutes, and the final videotape has

18    to do with detention facilities.  You haven't told us how long this lasts.

19    The number -- the final number of the video on detention facilities is

20    3971, but what is its duration?

21             MR. NEUNER:  Your Honours, the duration of this final videotape

22    would be, to be precise, 79 -- 97 minutes.  And for this reason, we have

23    already approached the Defence.  We are trying to either not display it at

24    all, in order to save time, or to just display portions of it.  However,

25    the video, the way it was produced basically features all detention

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 1    facilities contained in the indictment, and it will be rather difficult to

 2    downsize it.  It would just mean that certain views from the detention

 3    facilities or from certain rooms would need to be taken out, but I hope

 4    this will -- this problem will be solved in discussion with the Defence.

 5             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] You will discuss the matter

 6    with the Defence.  But when I add up the minutes you mentioned, we should

 7    have time, because we have three hours 45 minutes tomorrow, so we should

 8    have sufficient time, provided that the Defence doesn't take up too much

 9    time when expressing its position.  And the Defence has also stated that

10    after all the videos have been shown, they would like to make some

11    comments of a general kind.

12             I don't know whether these general comments could be made at the

13    end of the hearing on Friday or whether they could be made on Monday.

14    We'll see.  But given the time we have at our disposal, I think it's

15    necessary to see all the cassettes.  If all the detention facilities

16    appear in the cassette, it's not necessary to make a selection.  Try to

17    discuss this issue, but given the time we have, we should be able to see

18    everything, and if necessary, the Defence's comments could be made on

19    Monday.

20             Mr. Mundis could perhaps inform us of the schedule for next week,

21    since I'm not aware of it at this point in time.

22             MR. MUNDIS:  Mr. President, as previously indicated, we are

23    continuing to endeavour to make a witness or witnesses available for next

24    week; however, as of the latest information I received from Mrs. Benjamin

25    in Bosnia is that no witness has been identified who would be available to

Page 8586

 1    testify next week.  I anticipate that she will be phoning me again this

 2    afternoon after we're out of court, and any information that I do receive

 3    from her will be relayed both to the Defence and to the Trial Chamber via

 4    the legal officer.  Clearly if she does return with any witness statements

 5    or information from the archivists, that information will need to be

 6    provided in both one of the official languages and in B/C/S to the Defence

 7    as quickly as possible, and of course that may hinder our ability to get

 8    any of these witnesses here early next week.

 9             So as of right now, Mr. President, I am not in a position to make

10    any witnesses available next week; however, we continue to take steps to

11    make witness or witnesses available, and the parties and Trial Chamber

12    will be informed as soon as I have any information in that respect.

13             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.

14             If we have no witnesses, we will -- the Judges will discuss this

15    issue, but in order to hold hearings, we could continue to view the videos

16    that are on the so-called reserve list.

17             How many hours of videotape on the reserve list do you have?

18             MR. NEUNER:  Your Honours, I cannot give an exact figure, but the

19    amount of minutes will not be extensive.  I expect rather the opposite,

20    because some of these videos just relate to either duplicates which have

21    already been shown, more extensive duplicates; they relate to foreign news

22    information about the events taking place in Bosnia-Herzegovina and do

23    therefore - not substantially - add to the enlightening of the Chamber.

24    They, rather, present an outside view.

25             There is, for example, also another video on destruction of

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 1    houses.  The Prosecution has made efforts to identify the villages where

 2    the destruction -- the destructed houses were shown, and it has proven to

 3    be very, very difficult to link specific scenes, destroyed houses, to

 4    certain villages, and for this reason the Prosecution is considering not

 5    to show certain videos.

 6             JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Very well.  Everything will be

 7    clearer tomorrow.

 8             As I said, we will continue to view the remaining videos

 9    tomorrow.  We have worked a little longer than usual, but I would like to

10    thank you and I will see everyone tomorrow at 9.00.

11                            --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 1.53 p.m.,

12                            to be reconvened on Friday, the 4th day of

13                            June, 2004, at 9.00 a.m.